Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages?
by garba_dlm on Thursday September 07, 2023 @07:15PM
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'd' and 'p' are close enough. specially since the point of contrast is the 'm' of the opposite(complimentary) concept/sound/principle: ma ma
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Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages?
by pkd on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:13PM
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Linguistically, I don't think d and p are close at all. But a sibling comment also links to the Wikipedia entry for this common fallacy.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages?
by bedobi on Thursday September 07, 2023 @10:43PM
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what? linguists would universally consider d and p extremely similar, they're near identical plosives
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages?
by pkd on Friday September 08, 2023 @12:24AM
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Plosives are a big category. "k" is also a plosive, but does not sound anything like a <d> or <p>. d and p are plosives but are made using completely different parts of the mouth (dental vs labial). Perhaps some linguist will consider them "close" but "near identical" is almost certainly wrong, but I am happy to be proven wrong with a citation.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages?
by ashleney on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:37AM
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Quickly glossing over index diachronica, there's no common sound change of p<->d, but p<-b->m with the medial b has instances. (sorry for the syntax, no idea how to express this)
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages?
by caf on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:46AM
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Alveolar for /d/, at least the way I say it.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages?
by bedobi on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:08PM
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both you and the comment I'm replying to are hilariously hackernews pedantic
consider all the sounds humans can produce
now ask yourself
1) amongst them, if p and d are close (there is no world in which the answer to that is "no")
2) if there are real life examples of languages shifting between them or using them interchangeably (there are, papa and dada being a prime example)