Re:Humanised kidneys grown inside pigs for the first time
by ben_w on Thursday September 07, 2023 @06:57PM
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"Pain" can be nocioception, or it can be the qualia.
We can trivially make a machine with the former, and that acts to minimise that sensory input. Does it have the qualia? How might we even be able to prove it either way?
That subjective experience, qualia or whatever you call it, what I meant here by sentience. Given that the term pretty much always leads to discussion like this, I have only myself to blame for forgetting to mention an any of this in the previous comment.
Re:Humanised kidneys grown inside pigs for the first time
by circuit10 on Thursday September 07, 2023 @07:12PM
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Wikipedia says sentience means "the ability to experience feelings and sensations" so "Animals feel pain and can experience suffering just like humans can" is describing sentience
Re:Humanised kidneys grown inside pigs for the first time
by Turing_Machine on Friday September 08, 2023 @12:29AM
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Pigs will happily eat human beings if given the chance, without giving a single crap about the human's "rights".
As I understand it, several hog farmers are eaten by their charges every year. Hogs have also been used as a convenient method of disposing of murder victims on numerous occasions over the centuries.
Turnabout is fair play.
We're not even talking about killing animals for science or the "greater good" when discussing meat consumption.
Animals feel pain and can experience suffering just like humans can.
I think the fact that the suffering in the supply chain is hidden is the main reason it's not a consideration for most consumers.