Re:Microsoft will assume liability for legal copyright risks...
by smoldesu on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:50PM
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That's part of what made the Google Books ruling so shocking; it considered Google's transformation of "we digitized and indexed these books" to be transformative. If you punch the ASOIAF quote into it, Books will reproduce the text of Game of Thrones that had your query: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22We+should+start+b...
It's still surreal that this is considered Fair Use, and even defended relatively recently (2013). It's hard to say where the ruling will land ultimately, but there seems to be an argument that verbatim reproduction doesn't matter.
Re:Microsoft will assume liability for legal copyright risks...
by satvikpendem on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:18PM
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It's likely defended due to being non-commericial and for the public good, as I posted with my link to the Harvard page above. That was for literal copying and pasting so the bar for transformativeness is higher, but with generative AI where it can produce wholly new code/images, I think it will also be deemed fair use.
Re:Microsoft will assume liability for legal copyright risks...
by twoodfin on Thursday September 07, 2023 @04:50PM
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Also, extracting for a new purpose is fair use of long standing, distinct from something like sampling for the same purpose of composing music.
Siskel and Ebert didn’t need to pay rights holders to extract from their works for public criticism.
Re:Microsoft will assume liability for legal copyright risks...
by lewhoo on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:22PM
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Yeah. I wasn't so much trying to put weight on that you can get a fragment of copyrighted text, like Google Books also provides, but using the Bible as an example my point is you could technically get the whole thing bit by bit. You can't do that with Game of Thrones likely not because of capability but because of guardrails, because for a machine what's the difference if it's fed a copyrighted text or not.
Re:Microsoft will assume liability for legal copyright risks...
by saurik on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:48PM
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Google Books itself being some kind of fair use transformative work is unrelated to whether you could use the output of a Google Books query as part of a book you yourself have written (and like, clearly you can't).
I'd say it is possible to produce exact data as well. Try "Provide quote from King James' Bible Genesis :1-25" with chatgpt. You'll get a verbatim text. You can get the same with things like Moby Dick, but when I typed "Provide the first five sentences of the book A Game Of Thrones" I got:
Certainly! Here are the first five sentences from the book "A Game of Thrones" by George R.R. Martin:
"We should start back," Gared
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The model is clearly capable of reproducing verbatim data I think.