Re:California's plastic bag ban is failing
by slg on Thursday September 07, 2023 @12:23PM
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Which would mean all 5 of these measures are purely about production which gives an incomplete picture. The problem with single use plastics isn't the production. That is why they became so popular. The main concern is what happens to the plastic after that single use. For example, how many microplastics does a cotton bag keep out of the ocean?
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Re:California's plastic bag ban is failing
by Aunche on Thursday September 07, 2023 @12:41PM
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A plastic bag that is reused as a trash bag that ends up in a properly lined landfill isn't going to release microplastics in the the ocean either. The problem is that people really like sexy solutions over practical ones, so you end up with with ineffective initiatives like teaching Africans how to recycle or plastic bag bans rather than building more and safer landfills.
Re:California's plastic bag ban is failing
by slg on Thursday September 07, 2023 @12:58PM
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If the solution was as easy as telling people to reuse and dispose of single use plastic properly, we would have solved this issue decades ago. People still don't do that in high enough numbers for it to be an actual solution.
Re:California's plastic bag ban is failing
by Aunche on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:13PM
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You don't have to teach anything. If someone has a better place to throw their trash than their local dump pile, they'll do it because they don't like that place either. The vast majority of river plastic comes from developing counties with poor trash infrastructure. Plastic pollution is largely a solved problem. There may be plenty of assholes who leave their garbage on the beach in the US, but when they're home, their waste still gets properly disposed of.
Re:California's plastic bag ban is failing
by slg on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:36PM
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That link doesn't demonstrate what you are claiming. Developing countries handling this worse than the US doesn't prove that the US handles it well.
Re:California's plastic bag ban is failing
by Aunche on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:58PM
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It makes sense to prioritize tackling low hanging fruit with solutions that we know to work rather than ones that inconvenience us and make us feel like we're doing something, but don't actually do anything. The only benefit the LA Times article mentions is that there are fewer plastic bags found on beaches, but since "reusable" grocery bags are significantly heavier than the old disposable ones, I'm not convinced it's actually any better in that aspect as well.
Re:California's plastic bag ban is failing
by slg on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:30PM
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The LA Times' findings just take us full circle back to my original point. I thought keeping plastic bags off our beaches (and other environments) was supposed to be the primary benefit of the ban.
Re:California's plastic bag ban is failing
by Aunche on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:04PM
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One heavy plastic bag may look visually less offensive than 3 lighter ones, but is it better for the environment? Would the money people spend on "reusable" disposable bags be better spent on enforcement of littering of cleanup?