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Re:Huawei Teardown Shows Chip Breakthrough in Blow to US San... by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:21PM (#37396470)
>Social democracies are not socialist, which means that workers own the means of production

You're confusing socialism with communism.

Re:Huawei Teardown Shows Chip Breakthrough in Blow to US San... by satvikpendem on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:29PM (#37396575)
No, I'm not.

> socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. "we want a real democratic and pluralist left party—one which unites all those who believe in socialism"

Or, if you want the Marxist definition:

> a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism. "socialism is the first stage of the worldwide transition to communism

And therefore:

> Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal') is a left-wing to far-left sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement, whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered around common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products to everyone in the society based on need. A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes, and ultimately money and the state (or nation state).

Reading further into communist societies:

> A communist society is characterized by common ownership of the means of production with free access to the articles of consumption and is classless, stateless, and moneyless, implying the end of the exploitation of labour.

How ironic that you tell others to read when you yourself don't know the definitions of words you use.

Re:Huawei Teardown Shows Chip Breakthrough in Blow to US San... by happymellon on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @01:29AM (#37401618)
Thanks, it gets a bit tiring seeing people claim that any form of fair pay is communism.

Especially with things like medical workers, who aren't even state employees in most of Europe.

Re:Huawei Teardown Shows Chip Breakthrough in Blow to US San... by satvikpendem on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @01:32AM (#37401633)
Indeed, it's really something that grinds my gears too, when people don't use socio-politico-economic terms correctly like the above commenter. It just makes it hard for either side to be on the same page when debating because they're essentially using different definitions from one another.