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Re:Reading for Pleasure Helps Kids’ Brain Development by dotancohen on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:12PM (#37396367)
I'm going to risk quite a lot of fake internet points to add to your point. Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with culture, and you'll be demonized. Yet study after study of children who were not raised by their natural parents suggest a very strong link between parents' and childrens' behaviour - even after accounting for externalities such as the area where they live or intake of e.g. lead. I would be very, very surprised if the children of intelligent people - who typically enjoy reading from what I observe - didn't themselves enjoy reading.
Re:Reading for Pleasure Helps Kids’ Brain Development by smogcutter on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:28PM (#37396562)
Anyone who works with or spends time with children will tell you that all kinds of behaviors, including violence, are learned from adults and peers.

Once someone starts talking about “culture” though they're usually veering toward some really vicious stereotypes and wink-nudge fig leafs that help people hold & promote racist attitudes without thinking of themselves as racist.

Re:Reading for Pleasure Helps Kids’ Brain Development by dotancohen on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @05:47PM (#37398217)

  > Once someone starts talking about “culture” though they're usually veering
  > toward some really vicious stereotypes and wink-nudge fig leafs that help
  > people hold & promote racist attitudes without thinking of themselves as racist.
I would like to understand what you're talking about. Do you think that some people use culture as a proxy for race? Do you agree or disagree that different cultures have different values? Do you agree or disagree that culture is very closely associated by race?

To be clear, my original comment did not address any of this. I was seriously discussing culture, not race. But I think that I have something to learn from someone who takes such a stance as you have written, so I don't mind if the subject drifts a bit OT.

Re:Reading for Pleasure Helps Kids’ Brain Development by smogcutter on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:40AM (#37415134)
What’s a specific example of culture that would clarify your meaning in this post?

> Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with culture, and you'll be demonized.

Re:Reading for Pleasure Helps Kids’ Brain Development by jstarfish on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @06:02PM (#37398380)
> Anyone who works with or spends time with children will tell you that all kinds of behaviors, including violence, are learned from adults and peers.

That's literally everyone in the child's vicinity. What constitutes "culture" to you, if not the values shared and imparted by the influences around you?

> Once someone starts talking about “culture” though they're usually veering toward some really vicious stereotypes and wink-nudge fig leafs that help people hold & promote racist attitudes without thinking of themselves as racist.

You're calling him out for stereotyping...while confidently suggesting discussion of race/culture is usually racist, and anybody daring to initiate it is just a racist in denial? I don't even agree with him but holy shit man, rethink your approach.

Re:Reading for Pleasure Helps Kids’ Brain Development by smogcutter on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:36AM (#37415104)
I thought this was clear in context but obviously not. Obviously not all discussions of race/culture are racist. However…

> Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with culture, and you'll be demonized.

Is not all discussions of race/culture. Whose violent tendencies? What does OP mean by culture here? Unclear, it’s left to your imagination.

Should it read: > Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with culture [of teaching children violence] and you'll be demonized.

Or should it read: > Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with [violent people’s] culture, and you'll be demonized.

Or should it read: >Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with [you know who I mean’s] culture, and you'll be demonized.

Why does OP expect to be demonized? Maybe because these are common racist shibboleths, in the same vein as someone trying to tell you about threats to “western civilization”.

Idk if OP actually meant it that way. Their meaning was vague, which is how these things work. A good tule of thumb with strangers on the internet though is that if it quacks like a duck it might be a duck.

Re:Reading for Pleasure Helps Kids’ Brain Development by esalman on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:20PM (#37396465)
How is being raised by natural parents related to culture? Is there a particular culture which promotes or disapproves of this?
Re:Reading for Pleasure Helps Kids’ Brain Development by ip26 on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:23PM (#37396502)
The usual direction this goes is, some cultures place higher or lower relative value on parenting your kids, and some cultures are in practice rife with absent parents as a byproduct of what they value.

edit: on rereading, I think the original comment about “natural parents” was trying to make a point about nature vs nurture, not about parenting.

Re:Reading for Pleasure Helps Kids’ Brain Development by rexpop on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:29PM (#37396579)
Some "cultures" are just organs of a larger cultural superstructure, and they don't make sense to discuss in isolation.
Re:Reading for Pleasure Helps Kids’ Brain Development by AnnikaL on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @05:20PM (#37397918)
I think they meant that studying children "not raised by their natural [i.e. genetically related] parents" is a way to tell that any differences are a result of parenting or culture rather than some other factor, like genetics or location.