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Re:Get a cable modem, go to jail (1999) by noduerme on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:10AM (#37388781)
Please, don't gaslight. Read the daily police blotter of arrests, re-arrests, missed court dates and releases without bail in Portland, Oregon, for example. We have people who've been arrested 17 times for stealing 17 different cars in the span of a year, who still haven't shown up for their first court date, but never spend more than a couple hours in jail. And that's because we have a DA who outspent his opponent 20 to 1 in the election with donations from the Open Society Foundations.

Telling people crime isn't happening or that they're just imagining it's going unprosecuted is a form of gaslighting. I'm again mass incarceration, but I think prosecutorial discretion is a sneaky/bullshit way of going about decarcerating and fixing the justice system, and I think it's going to lead to a dangerous backlash. So is lying to people who can see reality with their own eyes.

Re:Get a cable modem, go to jail (1999) by mohinder on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @04:09AM (#37389117)
> gaslighting

Please.

Just link a study or something. FWIW I think it's wild I'm being accused of gaslighting over a simple request. Isn't that DARVO?

Re:Get a cable modem, go to jail (1999) by throwaway_e66m on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @12:19PM (#37393936)
I think the issue is that it's such an easy web-search, your failure to do it and instead make a "simple request" appears to present an implication that the phenomenon in question doesn't exist, i.e. gaslighting.

The assertion for which you asked evidence is not a correlation between prosecutorial policy ("fully prosecuting criminals") and crime rates, but rather the existence of the policies themselves. So, there's no need for a "study": the prosecutors put it down in writing (and those policies then get reported by the media).

For the record, I support some of these prosecutorial reform efforts, but through legislation which eliminates things like "add-on charges", not by prosecutors selectively deciding who will and won't get them.

But, since you asked, here's just a few -- and I'll make the "simple request" to you to do the "hard work" of a web-search if you want more than these: try Chesa Boudin, Larry Krasner, etc.

Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg announces he is directing his staff either not to prosecute, accept "community diversion" in lieu of prosecution, or at least not to seek any jail time, for a slew of offenses, including e.g. armed robbery:

https://www.manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Day-O...

Media coverage of same:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/06/us/alvin-bragg-manhattan-dist...

https://nypost.com/2022/01/04/manhattan-da-alvin-bragg-to-st...

LA district attorney George Gascón, upon being elected, issued a memo modifying the policy to reduce the charging of violent criminals:

https://da.lacounty.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/SPECIAL-DIRE...

Media coverage of same:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/crimes-las-prosecute

And while anecdotal, here's evidence of the implementation of that policy, a letter from Union Pacific railroad to the DA's office, complaining that when their agents apprehend criminals robbing trains, they are not fully prosecuted:

https://www.up.com/cs/groups/public/@uprr/@newsinfo/document...

HN thread on same:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29985568

Re:Get a cable modem, go to jail (1999) by noduerme on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @07:59PM (#37399540)
I appreciate you taking the time to do this, explain that the existence of these policies itself is not in doubt, and clarify the difference between asking for proof of their existence versus proof of their effects on society. Because I had started to respond, but I decided it was bad for my mental state to engage further.

It sounds like you and I are actually quite close in belief that systemic reforms are necessary but that undertaking them by prosecutorial fiat is a mistake. You'd probably appreciate this analysis:

https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-132/the-paradox-of-pr...