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Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by bick_nyers on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:10PM (#37383857)
If hurricane insurance becomes impossible to acquire for a region, will banks stop giving out mortgages because they require homeowner's insurance in order to lend?

Are banks legally required to offer mortgages to suitable candidates, regardless of region?

I would prefer that my bank, my insurance company, and the government duke it out amongst themselves, and not involve me.

Central FL doesn't see nearly as much hurricane damage as the coast, but we are also being subjected to increased premiums.

Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by Waterluvian on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:39PM (#37384145)
Ideally the system isn’t propped up by tax dollars. Previously lucrative regions becoming financially uninhabitable is probably the one thing nobody can ignore.

It’s what I like about the insurance industry: it cares not for opinions and moods and politics because it is betting with cash. No amount of climate denial changes the math on a bad deal.

Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by BoxFour on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:24PM (#37383980)
As pointed out in the article, states frequently maintain a taxpayer-backed insurers of last resort (and apparently notably prevalent in Florida).

Nevertheless, as the article also highlights, this approach is unlikely to have favorable long-term financial implications for the state.

Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by no_wizard on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:41PM (#37384162)
I fear the end result of this is going to be federal bailouts of state insurance programs, which means that money will get politicized and used to further someones agenda as a means to passing.

I often wonder how far away we are from funding being withheld from states with bad public policy as perceived by the party in power.

Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by LapsangGuzzler on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:55PM (#37384314)
> I often wonder how far away we are from funding being withheld from states with bad public policy as perceived by the party in power. It sets dangerous precedents of coupling human suffering to policy maneuvers

This has been going on for many years. From GOP states refusing to accept expanded Obamacare grants, thereby restricting access to healthcare for the poor to refusing to extend 9/11 first responder healthcare until people like Jon Stewart got involved, oppression and cruelty has been used as leverage in policymaking going back to the founding of the US.

Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by civilitty on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:58PM (#37384352)
> I fear the end result of this is going to be federal bailouts of state insurance programs, which means that money will get politicized and used to further someones agenda as a means to passing.

Welcome to the future: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Flood_Insurance_Progr...

Congress has been bailing out the program for almost 20 years now.

Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by dehrmann on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:27PM (#37384012)
At least it might finally force states to make hard choices.
Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by cabalamat on Monday September 04, 2023 @05:26PM (#37385237)
A subsidy for building houses in areas where they are likely to be struck by natural disasters (flooding in Florida, earthquakes in California) does not strike me as sensible.
Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by 911e on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:18PM (#37383922)
This is quite interesting, I feel like at some point we need to cut those middleman that bail out as soon as paying is involved
Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by SoftTalker on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:22PM (#37383955)
They aren't in business to give away money. Insurance is all about paying to mitigate risk. If the risk of loss increases, insurance will get more expensive or simply not be offered.
Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by alwaysbeconsing on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:34PM (#37384088)
There's no inherent reason it must be a profit-making business. Organizeing as a cooperative, mutual insurance is also an option. Granted that any version still must set rates that cover expected payouts.
Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by itiro on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:42PM (#37384175)
You’re describing government. People cooperate through government to insure stability.

I will never understand the endless linguistic indirection when in the end it’s all Soylent Green; just people.

Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by fluoridation on Monday September 04, 2023 @04:10PM (#37384477)
Are you saying that whenever people cooperate voluntarily, it's a government?
Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by pauldenton on Monday September 04, 2023 @04:03PM (#37384407)
Government isn't just how people cooperate. Government is a monopoly on the legitimate use of force. We've seen that force used in places like Australia or New Zealand to enforce quarantines of healthy people. If their Government feared the people because they bore arms, you would not hear stories about the Australian government allowing uninfected people outside for 1 hour of exercise for good behaviour
Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by JumpCrisscross on Monday September 04, 2023 @04:29PM (#37384698)
> no inherent reason it must be a profit-making business

Insurance is an extremely demanding business. This isn’t something you can throw commodity drones at. If you’re willing to create a coöperative job that pays millions to its actuaries and risk managers, fine. Most don’t. Hence why a profit-based model works: it can incentivise the people that are needed for it to work in the long run to do the job. (In the short run, anyone can run a sloppy insurance operation.)

Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by bonestamp2 on Monday September 04, 2023 @05:13PM (#37385140)
One interesting experiment in this area is the Canadian Province of Saskatchewan, where the government has run a break even auto and property insurance organization since 1945. It does not receive money from the tax payers and is completely self sustaining:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan_Government_Insura...

Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by bonestamp2 on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @12:07PM (#37393732)
Aside from being non-profit, an additional benefit that makes this model more cost effective is that you don't have insurance companies suing each other because everyone has the same insurance company.
Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by tpmoney on Monday September 04, 2023 @08:13PM (#37386447)
Mutual insurance companies exist, presumably they are also bailing in places where the cost is unsustainable.
Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by Guvante on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:20PM (#37383949)
I know when I bought I had to have a quote for appropriate insurance policy in order to close. I never asked what appropriate was however.
Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by SoftTalker on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:24PM (#37383983)
The bank will want insurance at least in the amount of what you owe on the mortgage. They don't really care if it's enough to cover actual losses.
Re:Home insurers cut natural disasters from policies as clim... by Guvante on Monday September 04, 2023 @09:35PM (#37386907)
Coverage amount is not what the article is about. It is about covered things happening.