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Re:Is macOS’s new XProtect behavioural security preparing to... by mschuster91 on Monday September 04, 2023 @10:33AM (#37380852)
> Preventing an app from accessing browser data feels like an approach to make people feel safe while providing no meaningful protections from most malware behavior.

Depends on the threat model. Yes, protecting browser data does not help if the attacker gained entry into the system by exploiting a vulnerability in the browser. But it helps against all other entry points: USB sticks laced with malware (common threat against companies), malware that came as part of an email attachment or by dodgy warez, an attacker that's already in the network (either because they're laterally moving or because the victim is in a scenario like a public wifi) and exploits some vulnerability in network-enabled software...

Classic defense in depth here, it massively raises the bar for attackers because to steal Chrome user sessions or passwords, you now need a code execution avenue but also a kernel-level or at least sandbox exploit to bypass Bastion.

Re:Is macOS’s new XProtect behavioural security preparing to... by diogenes4 on Monday September 04, 2023 @02:01PM (#37383143)
> Classic defense in depth here, it massively raises the bar for attackers because to steal Chrome user sessions or passwords, you now need a code execution avenue but also a kernel-level or at least sandbox exploit to bypass Bastion.

Sure, but this is a very arbitrary threat model to prioritize that doesn't seem to affect people. What about ads? Tracking? Apps sending fingerprinting home? That seems like a more obvious place to start.

Re:Is macOS’s new XProtect behavioural security preparing to... by duskwuff on Monday September 04, 2023 @04:13PM (#37384506)
> Sure, but this is a very arbitrary threat model to prioritize that doesn't seem to affect people.

Malware exfiltrating users' browser sessions and passwords is a "very arbitrary threat model" that "doesn't seem to affect people"???

Re:Is macOS’s new XProtect behavioural security preparing to... by diogenes4 on Monday September 04, 2023 @07:03PM (#37386014)
Yes
Re:Is macOS’s new XProtect behavioural security preparing to... by mschuster91 on Monday September 04, 2023 @06:28PM (#37385734)
> Sure, but this is a very arbitrary threat model to prioritize that doesn't seem to affect people.

Credential stealer malware is abundant, it's often enough how attackers gain initial access to a company's internal network - grab the credentials off of Chrome, Firefox or one of the other popular password manager apps, and you're bound to find a set of credentials there. Now all you need is some piece of software that's reachable from the Internet and lacks 2FA (which applies to a shocking lot of legacy software), and you got some sort of persistent access to the network.

And in ye early days of cryptocurrencies, before hardware vaults became the norm among crypto enthusiasts, a fair amount of people got their wallets drained by targeted cookie (=session) stealers.

> What about ads? Tracking? Apps sending fingerprinting home?

That is bad, but not "someone can drain your bank account or take over your social media accounts to spam" bad.

Re:Is macOS’s new XProtect behavioural security preparing to... by diogenes4 on Monday September 04, 2023 @07:02PM (#37386012)
I disagree; i think the proliferation of ads is a type of malware that has far more detrimental effects on society than credit card theft (which, incidentally, wouldn't be a problem if the industry bothered to protect their cards with basic authentication on use, which they refuse to)