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Re:The myths we tell ourselves about American farming by taeric on Sunday September 03, 2023 @09:39AM (#37370347)
I wouldn't consider those numbers small, though? That is nearly the size of the city I live in. Not saying you are wrong. Just acknowledging the numbers. This feels like calling Amazon a small business, because it isn't Walmart.
Re:The myths we tell ourselves about American farming by bryanlarsen on Monday September 04, 2023 @12:00PM (#37381741)
The standard measure would be number of employees, wouldn't it?

50 beef cattle is hobby farm size. It wouldn't provide enough revenue to support a family. We needed grains, oilseeds, pigs and chickens in addition to the 50 beef cattle to support ours.

11,000 acres in Saskatchewan (and presumably Australia) is family farm size. It will have 0 or 1 employees.

Re:The myths we tell ourselves about American farming by taeric on Monday September 04, 2023 @07:15PM (#37386110)
Why is that the standard measure? By that rubric, an overwhelming number of small businesses can't support families. Certainly without a lot of supplemental income.

I'm ok with the definition that most farms just aren't small. Certainly ok with the idea that a small farm is still giant compared to any other "small" business. But I find it odd that Clarkson's Farm, a show many are probably familiar with today, is literally 1/10 the size of what you are calling a small farm. Is that just a tiny farm?

Edit: Finally tried clicking around your links, I think you messed up the WA one. At any rate, I see a "small" farm is designated by revenue of about 28k. https://cms.agr.wa.gov/WSDAKentico/Imported/641-WSDAAgInfogr..... shows that "63% of farms are less than 50 acres" So, I can see how your average number can work, as that is how statistics work. That said, most farms are clearly not 11k acres.

Edit2: Annoyingly, that link I put up indicates the "small" revenue is 250k. It was an exemption of some sort that I closed the link on that indicated 28.

Re:The myths we tell ourselves about American farming by bryanlarsen on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @12:13AM (#37387763)
Because size is irrelevant. A 1 acre greenhouse can produce more calories and imcome than a 10,000 acre dryland farm.

And all real farms have at least 6 figures of revenue. They also have at least 6 figures of expenses. A small combine harvester costs $500,000, for example.

Re:The myths we tell ourselves about American farming by taeric on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:54AM (#37392496)
If you are using 500k equipment, you are no longer a small farm, though? You are small for large farms, maybe. But not what anyone would think of as a small farm.

I'm curious what the exemptions are on runoff regulations. That was the driver for what got me asking.