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Re:Police Seized Innocent Peoples Property, Kept It for Year... by wahnfrieden on Friday September 01, 2023 @02:28PM (#37354514)
Private property != personal property

Means of production is not the same as the shoes on your feet. It's just unfortunately confusing terminology that leads to twisted argumentation.

Btw, the alternative to capitalist liberal states is not exclusively authoritarian marxist-leninist communism. Not all anti-capitalists are pining for another different boot to lick.

Re:Police Seized Innocent Peoples Property, Kept It for Year... by Retric on Friday September 01, 2023 @03:08PM (#37354948)
A tool (boot, glove, knife, hammer, etc) is easily both the means of production and personal property. The distinction is in effect meaningless.
Re:Police Seized Innocent Peoples Property, Kept It for Year... by enterprise_cog on Friday September 01, 2023 @08:22PM (#37357489)
A hammer isn’t a factory. There is a distinction, unless you don’t think industrialization had any effect on society.
Re:Police Seized Innocent Peoples Property, Kept It for Year... by Retric on Friday September 01, 2023 @08:57PM (#37357714)
The rhetoric around the means of production was initially in reference to slaves. Communism was an offshoot of the abolition movement not in reference to at the time minimal number of factories. And in that context people did abandon slavery.

Even today factories aren’t the means of production, they don’t make houses that’s mostly people with hand tools. Nor do they make food or mine resources etc.

Re:Police Seized Innocent Peoples Property, Kept It for Year... by enterprise_cog on Friday September 01, 2023 @10:47PM (#37358178)
What point are you trying to make here? Marx’s writings were based on his observations of factories and industry in England at the time, among other things.
Re:Police Seized Innocent Peoples Property, Kept It for Year... by Retric on Saturday September 02, 2023 @07:39AM (#37360571)
Marx was not the origin of communism. Which is why he was credited with the Marxism not communism.

The context for his writing wasn’t simply factory conditions being so so bad he created an ideology from whole cloth.

Re:Police Seized Innocent Peoples Property, Kept It for Year... by enterprise_cog on Saturday September 02, 2023 @12:30PM (#37363013)
This entire thread was in response to police stealing in the US, and someone responded referencing communists. Given they context, they were clearly talking about Marxism. The guy you responded to explicitly mentioned that. And then you go off on some other interpretation of the same words, clearly misinterpreting what they posted to argue some other point.
Re:Police Seized Innocent Peoples Property, Kept It for Year... by Retric on Saturday September 02, 2023 @02:18PM (#37364054)
Assuming someone misspoke to support your point is a bit much.
Re:Police Seized Innocent Peoples Property, Kept It for Year... by Nasrudith on Friday September 01, 2023 @05:54PM (#37356554)
That is an imaginary distinction which only exists to anti-capitalists to have their cake and it eat too, along with a continuation of their ongoing torrid love-affair of creating their own sophistic definitions. Everyone else says more or less "that is private property you fool!".