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Re:Apple Clarifies Why It Abandoned Plan to Detect CSAM in i... by flir on Friday September 01, 2023 @09:35AM (#37350639)
But that's just a restatement of the OP's position ("Mass surveillance is never an appropriate solution"). You're not attempting to justify that position.
Re:Apple Clarifies Why It Abandoned Plan to Detect CSAM in i... by danbruc on Friday September 01, 2023 @09:48AM (#37350802)
That's just an axiom for me, no justification needed. My life is my life and it is not the business of the state to watch every step I do as long as I am not affecting others in any relevant way. You convince me that I or society as a whole would be better off if I allowed the state to constantly keep an eye on me, then I might change my opinion and grant the state the permission to violate my privacy.
Re:Apple Clarifies Why It Abandoned Plan to Detect CSAM in i... by flir on Friday September 01, 2023 @10:01AM (#37350973)
> That's just an axiom for me, no justification needed

Congrats, you've got a religion.

Re:Apple Clarifies Why It Abandoned Plan to Detect CSAM in i... by danbruc on Friday September 01, 2023 @10:11AM (#37351090)
That's nonsense, every worldview must be grounded in some axioms, that does not make it a religion. I can break it down somewhat more for you. The state has no powers besides the ones granted by its citizens. I value my privacy highly and need very good reasons to grant the state permission to violate it. Catching criminals does not clear the bar, there are other ways to do this that do not violate my privacy.
Re:Apple Clarifies Why It Abandoned Plan to Detect CSAM in i... by jtbayly on Friday September 01, 2023 @09:52AM (#37350851)
It’s guaranteed by our constitution, among other reasons. Search of my communications for no reason is, by definition “unreasonable search.”
Re:Apple Clarifies Why It Abandoned Plan to Detect CSAM in i... by flir on Friday September 01, 2023 @10:02AM (#37350977)
That document with 27 amendments?
Re:Apple Clarifies Why It Abandoned Plan to Detect CSAM in i... by jtbayly on Friday September 01, 2023 @11:21AM (#37351979)
Yes?

If you want to get it amended, then by all means, make a case for why it should be amended.

In the meantime you wanted to know why mass surveillance isn’t an option. The answer “because it’s against the law” is a simple, good answer.

If you want to know why we decided as a nation to make that such a fundamental law that it is in our constitution, you could do worse than reading about what prompted the writing of the Bill of Rights.

I agree with a lot of the original reasoning.

Re:Apple Clarifies Why It Abandoned Plan to Detect CSAM in i... by danbruc on Friday September 01, 2023 @11:31AM (#37352108)
The answer “because it’s against the law” is a simple, good answer.

While often true, at all times there have also been morally wrong laws, so it would not be unreasonable to counter that being written into law on itself means nothing. So you should always be prepared to pull out and defend the reasoning behind a law, which you also hinted at in your following sentences.