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Re:The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant by Cthulhu_ on Friday September 01, 2023 @09:18AM (#37350436)
I just had to look it up; Wayland has been around for 14 years already. How much software takes 14 years and still isn't stable? How big and / or complicated is this problem and the codebase anyway?
Re:The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant by jchw on Friday September 01, 2023 @09:41AM (#37350732)
For one thing, Wayland is a protocol, not a specific piece of software. But mostly, that progress has been non-linear. A ton of it is not about writing code, or even about Wayland itself; much of it tied into the modernization of the Linux and general open source graphics ecosystem, moving it away from being oriented around X.org specifically and implementing modern features like generic buffer management and kernel modesetting. A lot of setbacks have been simply waiting on NVIDIA to support these modern facilities well in their still-very-popular proprietary drivers.

HDR support has been in the works for years. Why? Well, nothing terribly specific to do with Wayland: there has been a ridiculously deep dive into the entire space of color management, wide-gamut colorspaces, etc. to try to build HDR protocols that don't merely just get things out the door, but ideally support current and future use cases for the foreseeable future, have good backwards compatibility and handling of unaware apps, etc. These things are non-trivial and can't be solved by writing code or staring at GDB. (Not to mention there are few drivers that can currently support this, so it's also a bit of a chicken and egg problem.)

That is to say, Wayland is a lot less of a software problem than it is a design and social problem. And as you can probably see, ultimately, Wayland will be nobody's favorite, but hopefully with time, it can at least be everybody's favorite.

Re:The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant by shlip on Friday September 01, 2023 @09:35AM (#37350635)
Ever heard of GNU Hurd ?
Re:The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant by Maken on Friday September 01, 2023 @09:58AM (#37350924)
PulseAudio is still not there after 19 years.
Re:The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant by e12e on Friday September 01, 2023 @10:25AM (#37351239)
On the other hand, PipeWire is?
Re:The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant by ahartmetz on Friday September 01, 2023 @11:50AM (#37352339)
Thank $deity, it is. PipeWire actually works well.
Re:The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant by Maken on Saturday September 02, 2023 @10:29AM (#37361835)
It has already surpassed it.