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Re:Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” whe... by david-gpu on Thursday August 31, 2023 @08:49AM (#37336351)
Like many folks in Latin America, I have two given names and two surnames (no hyphen). I run into IT systems that choke at my two surnames every now and then and it's a pain.

Introducing a hyphen isn't great: it doesn't match my legal name and it's awkward because some people do have a hyphenated surname plus another surname.

I've also met several people whose legal name doesn't include a surname.

Re:Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” whe... by lelanthran on Thursday August 31, 2023 @02:01PM (#37341253)
> Like many folks in Latin America, I have two given names and two surnames (no hyphen). I run into IT systems that choke at my two surnames every now and then and it's a pain.

You presumably have a formal name: A B C D, with A and B being your two given names, C and D being your two surnames.

So what does it say on your ID?

Your birth certificate if you have no ID?

Does your countries revenue service address you as "Dear A B", "Mr C D", "Dear A", "Mr D" or something else altogether?

Re:Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” whe... by david-gpu on Thursday August 31, 2023 @04:26PM (#37343230)
> You presumably have a formal name: A B C D, with A and B being your two given names, C and D being your two surnames.

Yes, that's right. That is my full legal name.

> So what does it say on your ID? Your birth certificate if you have no ID?

Same as my full legal name: A B C D.

> Does your countries revenue service address you as "Dear A B", "Mr C D", "Dear A", "Mr D" or something else altogether?

Well, there is no such thing as "my country" because I'm a dual citizen. Born in Spain, currently living in Canada as a naturalized citizen. That is where the troubles begin, because while in Spain IT systems typically assume people have two surnames, in North America they often assume a single surname.

So far it has not a problem when dealing with the various levels of the Canadian government, but for example my bank addresses me as A B C-D due to limitations in their IT infrastructure.

Incidentally, in Spain we are typically addressed as A C or Mr. C for brevity, while A B C D would be reserved for formal communications.

I hope this answers your questions.

Re:Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” whe... by lelanthran on Thursday August 31, 2023 @06:23PM (#37344404)
> > So what does it say on your ID? Your birth certificate if you have no ID?

> Same as my full legal name: A B C D.

Right, so your Firstname is A and your Lastname is D. There's no ambiguity there.

You're sorted for those forms that ask for firstname/lastname, not for those forms that ask for given/family name.

Re:Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” whe... by david-gpu on Friday September 01, 2023 @08:12AM (#37349754)
> Right, so your Firstname is A and your Lastname is D. There's no ambiguity there.

You are offering your own unique technical solution to a cultural problem that has already been solved, and while I admire your confidence, I must explain why it is incorrect.

I don't have a "last name", I have two surnames. The notion of "last name" implicitly assumes that there is one and only one surname.

As I already hinted at, people in Spain customarily use their first surname as their "last name". That's why 90% of communications address me as A C, even while living in Canada.

It is my understanding that the same rule is used in all of Latin America, including Brazil.

Re:Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” whe... by tremon on Friday September 01, 2023 @10:47AM (#37351499)
No, their full family name is C D. If you must abbreviate it, the correct address would be Sr C, not Sr D. There is no way that entering D in a "last name" field would be correct unless you're aiming for passive aggressive obstinacy.

To take a famous example: the full name of Rafael Nadal is Rafael Nadal Parera: one given name and two surnames, with the first surname taking precedence.