News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by ajsnigrutin on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @08:45PM (#37331116)
you just need one crazy individual for a shooting, but a whole system of state and private actors (that should've known better) to implement censorship.
Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by esperent on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @08:53PM (#37331168)
This is too narrow a view. The guy wasn't (just) crazy, he was radicalized by an international online far right hate community.

I would venture to say that literally no mass shootings, anywhere, ever, has been the result of "one crazy individual". Certainly none of the ones that make the news. There's always a community, however loosely defined, that radicalized them into thinking that murdering people is a viable solution. That level of descent into madness requires support.

Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by lll-o-lll on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:20PM (#37331341)
Nah that’s crap. I can give an easy counter-example. The Port-Arthur massacre in Australia. You know, when we got all the gun laws as a result.

One guy, with issues, two guns, 35 dead. Motivation was revenge and fame. No community required.

Your statement is just wrong.

Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by esperent on Thursday August 31, 2023 @01:36AM (#37332876)
[delayed]
Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by lll-o-lll on Thursday August 31, 2023 @01:59AM (#37333010)
He had a projected IQ of about 66. I don’t know if you’ve engaged with many people with intellectual impairment, but it doesn’t take much for “dumb idea” to gain traction.

He wasn’t radicalised, look it up. He was just an evil git that should never have been allowed near a gun.

Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by depereo on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:10PM (#37331285)
There's a direct line between christchurch and jacksonville. They even put the same decorations on their killing implements. There's absolutely a community around these murders.
Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by MostlyStable on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:11PM (#37331291)
I'm sorry, but are you arguing that literally no individual ever decides to kill multiple people without being radicalized first?

This is an extremely narrow and naive view of the breadth of what humans can and will do.

Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by AmericanChopper on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:18PM (#37331332)
> This is too narrow a view. The guy wasn't (just) crazy, he was radicalized by an international online far right hate community.

You say that, and maybe it’s true. But it’s impossible for any New Zealander to know that given it’s a crime for any of them to read his manifesto.

Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by verve_rat on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:58PM (#37331589)
You are incorrect. If you have a good reason you can view restricted material: https://www.classificationoffice.govt.nz/resources/items/app...
Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by AmericanChopper on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @10:28PM (#37331788)
For starters, I’m certainly right that it is a crime for New Zealanders to read the document, and if an exemption process that individuals could leverage to access it, that wouldn’t change that fact.

However, you’ve linked to a process that educators can use to screen restricted films to their students.

Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by esperent on Thursday August 31, 2023 @01:34AM (#37332859)
[delayed]
Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by AmericanChopper on Thursday August 31, 2023 @02:18AM (#37333152)
There’s no legal way for any New Zealander to know the content of his manifesto, and certainly not beyond a reasonable doubt. I haven’t read it, and I’m not especially interested in the topic all together. But all of the commentary I’ve read about it to me seems either massively reductive or highly politicized. I have no certainty at all about the particulars of his motive.

I have little interest in how New Zealand is run, but if I did this would be a massive concern for me. For the interested parties, the details of his motives are incredibly important. That was the basis of new liberty-revoking legislation in New Zealand, and you think that New Zealanders should have no reasonable doubt that their politicians and press (who may or may not have even read it themselves) weren’t portraying it in a way that simply suited their own agendas? Believing that the government should be the only party allowed to interpret crucially important information is very undemocratic.

Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by threeseed on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:46PM (#37331503)
There have been a number of mass shootings that predate the Internet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S...

And even today a number of the shooters had specific targets in mind e.g. fellow students, teachers etc.

So driven more by individual rage and easy access to weapons.

Re:Australia will not force age verification due to privacy ... by esperent on Thursday August 31, 2023 @01:31AM (#37332841)
I intentionally didn't mention the internet in my comment. That's the main modern source of radicalization, sure. But people found a way before it too. In person, through books and mailing lists, by phone, by tv, whatever.