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Re:On (My) Caste by alephnerd on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:08PM (#37327353)
Not exactly.

There is a very real economic divide between rural India and urban India.

Even if you were from a feudal landlord family, 30 years ago you might have not even had running water or electricity. But at least you had a solid house, instead of living in a mud hut (if you were lucky) like most Dalits and Nomads in rural India back then.

If someone from an elite rural family came to the city, their privilige automatically becomes moot because in a purely capitalist society Money begets Privilige.

In the 1990s-to-present, there was a massive migration from rural India to cities, and a number of formerly priviliged Men (it's men who become migrant workers) were at the bottom rung of the urban social ladder. And they were/are PISSED. So in retaliation, they began organizing their own Castes to fight for political power and quotas.

Also, in India, Affirmative Action is a Quota System, unlike the US where Quotas are unconstitutional. This means you are playing a Zero Sum game where one family's Affirmative Action might doom your family to poverty.

This makes the situation highly volatile.

Re:On (My) Caste by hef19898 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:19PM (#37327516)
Isn't it alawys the same grouo, young men with deep seated complexes and insecurities and unfulfilled entitlement that cause these sorts of problems?
Re:On (My) Caste by cududa on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:48PM (#37328884)
What "sort of problems" do you mean, exactly?
Re:On (My) Caste by hef19898 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:56PM (#37329008)
Schhol shootings in the US, Neo-Nazis in East Germany, islamist terrorists. They all have in common of being, over simplifying, frustrated, in secure young men.

They are easily manipulated by populists and ideologists, prone to use violence and prone to be sexist, racist etc. I guess that is becaise the way they see themselves, or what they think society expects them to be, is something they do not get. Hence the incredible amount of frustration. Frustration that breeds, especially when combined with a sense of entitlement and inhrained superiority, radicals like nothing else. Bonus points if thes can see themselves as the victims, conspiracy theories go a long way in building some groups conspiring against them.

Re:On (My) Caste by cududa on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:15PM (#37329256)
So, I think I agree with part of what you're saying. But I can't exactly grasp your logic.

I'd like to understand. Let's use white male young men school shooters in the US.

OP > So in retaliation, they began organizing their own Castes to fight for political power and quotas.

You > the way they see themselves, or what they think society expects them to be, is something they do not get. Hence the incredible amount of frustration

What I'm interpreting your comments as, is that people should just "stay in their lane"/ caste/ station at birth and not cause trouble/ accept their rung of society

Re:On (My) Caste by hef19898 on Thursday August 31, 2023 @04:51AM (#37334274)
>> What I'm interpreting your comments as, is that people should just "stay in their lane"/ caste/ station at birth and not cause trouble/ accept their rung of society

If ypu read my other comments on caste systeks and discrimination, it becomes clear that is the exact opposite of what I mean.

The solution is not for everyone else to adapt around the greavances of frustrated individuals and groups that cannot adapt to change. The task is on those frustrated individuals to find ways to adapt whatever they have adapting to in a changinf society, because the only these large changes can be surpressed is by oppressing others. We all know where that ends.

Those frustrated young men (and it is mostly men) so, they are actually in a pretty bad spot. Those that actually act on those feelings are just plain pathetic so, the others, well, society owes them some form of support. Just don't ask me what kind of support so.

The much much worse proboem so is the people in power, read populist and nationalist movement and political leader along with their religious counterparts, that use those men to further their own goals of power. More often than not, that use ends in violence and death. No idea what can be done about that neither, other than voting for parties that are not like that and keep tbose radicals out of government and power as much as possible. And that approach doesn't always work neither, nor is it even possible in a lot of places.

And no, I wont stay in a lane someone else put me in just because it would hurt that other persons feelings. And neither should anyone else, ever.

Re:On (My) Caste by Viliam1234 on Thursday August 31, 2023 @01:42PM (#37340963)
> Schhol shootings in the US, Neo-Nazis in East Germany, islamist terrorists. They all have in common of being, over simplifying, frustrated, in secure young men.

Isn't the same also true about e.g. protests against the Vietnam War, or... probably about almost all protests ever.

Young men are more likely to stand up and actually do something. Sometimes good things, sometimes bad things.

Re:On (My) Caste by hef19898 on Thursday August 31, 2023 @03:39PM (#37342646)
You arw not seriously throwing in anti-war protesters and civil rights advocates in the same bucket as the groups I mentioned, are you?
Re:On (My) Caste by Viliam1234 on Friday September 01, 2023 @06:27AM (#37348938)
Both are "things that young frustrated men do". Why only attribute the bad things to certain demographics?
Re:On (My) Caste by daseiner1 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:24PM (#37329351)
perhaps it wasn’t intended but your comment reads as dismissive of the men in question.