This thread is full of Kiwifarms astroturfing and disinformation posted by supporters of the site. It feels like Gamergate all over again.

Reasonable people disagreeing is not evidence of astroturfing or disinformation. It is possible for people to just disagree with you. There is no organized conspiracy against your viewpoint.

They linked this thread on the kiwifarms website so people are coming here from the site. One of them even called out my posting as particularly objectionable to their point of view. I would link it so you can see, but I think that would break HN rules because of the doxing materials on the site.

It's annoying that they're trying to remove your comment via downvoting.

It's amazing to me that some people are so determined to defend KF when it appears that the best defense they have is: "no suicides have been definitively linked to KF." I know their public reason is all about censorship etc, but I'd like to know what their private reason really is.

They linked this thread on the kiwifarms website so people are coming here from the site. One of them even called out my posting as particularly objectionable to their point of view. I would link it so you can see, but I think that would break HN rules because of the doxing materials on the site.

I'm downvoting the comment due to the same principle that makes me downvote EVERY comment about astroturfing hackernews. Because it's literally against the guidelines of this website, as any real hackernews denizen would know.

It's not that we want to defend KF, it's that we want to have a discussion on the merits of the issue not the reputation of the participants.

KF is ultimately an archive site. It "keeps receipts" in their words. If storing someone's posts is bad, is archive.org bad for performing the same function?

If KF supports harassment campaigns then make that case, but they seem not to. I've seen more harassment and threats on Twitter (literally!) than on KF threads.

If suicide is your metric, are you also against storing the words of people you find objectionable in case they commit suicide when discovered? What if a neo-nazi was recorded being a nazi and killed himself, is that bad?

I personally support storing the speech (because it's censorship not to allow it) and I support legal charges for people who go beyond - let the courts sort of the fine lines.

I doubt this. Hackernews still has a disproportionately large number of principled libertarians like me. I've personally gone on kiwifarms twice, both times triggered by a big hackernews story.

You know what would counter disinformation? Links to analysis of kiwifarms with methodology and citations. E.g. what proportion of threads (from, say, a random sample of 20) contain doxxing on the first page?

No one is going to link to victim dox in a public HN thread. It would get our accounts banned and also further victimizes these people who were harassed by the site. Thank you for looking at the site for yourself.

> E.g. what proportion of threads (from, say, a random sample of 20) contain doxxing on the first page?

> Edit: I've now done this. Looks like about 25%. Damn, that's high.

There's probably a fallacy or term for this, but this is one of those situations where if you catch someone doing one thing, it gives you just enough credibility to exaggerate other features without proof-- and people will believe the whole thing.

Doxxing is the easiest claim to verify, and though unwelcome, it's not a crime. "Harassment" in this context is conflated with "accountability," which is relevant when you consider who exactly their "victims" are and what KF accuses each of them of in turn. None of them are random nobodies minding their own business-- most if not all of Kiwi Farms' "victims" are public e-celebrities or influencers they accuse of being complicit in some form of fraud, abuse, child solicitation or other shenanigans, so it seems clear to me why such "victims" would want evidence of their own criminal behavior erased from the internet.

I've said it elsewhere, but nobody ever accuses KF of being liars. If they're posting defamatory content, there are established legal channels available to address that-- the site and its owner are reside in the most litigious country on earth. Yet there are no channels to suppress publication of truthful information (or opinion)...which I would argue is the real reason for the histrionics of the opposition.

They're still trying to present Chris-chan as some sort of sob story because Kiwi Farms was mean to him or something; the guy raped his own mother. Keffals is no better, crying to the fucking media about being SWATed by Kiwi Farms when their own account sounded more like a search warrant being executed. byuu was caught faking his own death before, but he's totally dead this time and it's totally Kiwi Farms' fault for making him commit suicide again. Attention whores, all of them. Cry me a fucking river.