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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by EarlKing on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @01:58AM (#37318216)
It is porn involving children who did not (and more to the point legally cannot) consent. Moving away from that term has as its object attempting to reframe certain obvious acts of child abuse as not abuse but "art". Words have meanings, and a spade should be called a spade.
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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by Nursie on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:28AM (#37319130)
Calling it Child Sexual Abuse Material is doing exactly that.

That is what is depicted, that is what has taken place to produce the material. It puts front and centre that this is abuse, categorically and by definition, not 'porn'.

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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by didntcheck on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:25AM (#37319434)
Why would that not be "porn"? I would define that as "material intended to sexually arouse the particular audience". Merriam-Webster appears to largely agree

The material being harmful and produced via abuse doesn't remove it from that definition, in the same way that rape isn't removed from the definition of "sex"

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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by Nursie on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @05:59AM (#37319638)
‘Porn’ these days generally implies legal and consensual. Reflect as you will on what that means about society and the pervasiveness of porn as compared to a few decades back.

Regardless, calling it CSAM puts the abuse aspect front and centre, and puts it in a separate category to that, it avoids euphemism rather than adding to it.

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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by bemusedthrow75 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:04AM (#37321477)
> Moving away from that term has as its object attempting to reframe certain obvious acts of child abuse as not abuse but "art".

This is a nonsensical interpretation.

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