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Re:Automatic Generation of Visualizations and Infographics w... by cooperaustinj on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @12:40PM (#37310444)
Everything you described been possible since the dawn of intellectual property. Just replace LLM with "person".

Furthermore, it isn't theft to learn from others' work and reproduce similar qualities.

Re:Automatic Generation of Visualizations and Infographics w... by nologic01 on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @01:01PM (#37310750)
Possible is not the same as admissible.

Good to know that the prevailing commercial tech culture now sees plagiarism and stealing ideas without attribution as the modern way of doing business and hopes that dressing things up under some algorithmic veil will hide the act.

I guess the pit of moral decline has no bottom. The consolation is that theft has never been the road to wealth. Once the plundering is over the only thing that is left is a wasteland.

It seems that Microsoft has finally found a way to kill the open source "cancer".

Re:Automatic Generation of Visualizations and Infographics w... by andybak on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @01:40PM (#37311278)
I'm afraid I'm just unclear on exactly what part of this you argue is crossing a moral line.

I.e. what is being stolen without attribution? I'm genuinely not getting what you mean in this specific case.

Re:Automatic Generation of Visualizations and Infographics w... by nologic01 on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @02:00PM (#37311546)
Limited visualization grammar means that any non-trivial visualization request will be lifting a particular solution, more or less verbatim.
Re:Automatic Generation of Visualizations and Infographics w... by ryanklee on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @02:49PM (#37312157)
I don't see how it's possible to show that the solution is lifted by the LLL as opposed to a arrived at by the LLM.

It seems to me that such solutions are soon to be within the set potentially constructed by an LLM.

Re:Automatic Generation of Visualizations and Infographics w... by nologic01 on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @03:20PM (#37312554)
As they say, people are unwilling to understand something if their monetary gain depends on not understanding it.

Let me break it down for you. If I ask for a visualization that squares the circle and there is one repo that has an example of squaring the circle, the LLM will "arrive" at a way of squaring the circle.

Re:Automatic Generation of Visualizations and Infographics w... by ryanklee on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @03:27PM (#37312665)
That's not really answering my question.

If (1) an LLM is able to arrive at solutions in the same class of difficulty as the solution for the target problem and (2) it's not possible to establish the provenance of the solution actually offered by the LLM, then what's the argument for assuming that the solution is based on IP rather than constructive reasoning?

Re:Automatic Generation of Visualizations and Infographics w... by nologic01 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:26AM (#37318745)
thats too many ifs.

Retrain the LLM without access to the repo data. Ask for the same solution. Enjoy the hallucination. Provenance established.

Re:Automatic Generation of Visualizations and Infographics w... by andybak on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @06:45AM (#37390071)
By the way - your haste in ascribing bad motives to those disagreeing with you rather turned me off continuing this conversation.