Re:Exxon says world set to fail 2°C global warming cap by 2050
by staunton on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @08:02AM
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> to keep planetary civilization running
Did you mean: "to never decrease consumption in rich countries"?
Re:Exxon says world set to fail 2°C global warming cap by 2050
by fsloth on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @08:10AM
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No. Without hydrocarbons there is no food to start with. We are way, way, way behind a point where the humanity could decide to stop using any hydrocarbons cold turkey and not mass starve in the billions. Then comes rest of the industry (on which food production depends). I hope the reality was different.
That is not to say rich world consumption is not a pathological facet of the equation. But it's far from being the only consideration.
Re:Exxon says world set to fail 2°C global warming cap by 2050
by staunton on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @01:11PM
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There's a huge gap between "cold turkey into starving" and current goals (which are still not enough and also mostly won't be achieved). A transition away from fossil fuels that was just constrained by ensuring no mass starvation would look very different. This is not at all what the discussion is about. Meanwhile, mass starvation will be on the agenda at 3°C of warming...
Re:Exxon says world set to fail 2°C global warming cap by 2050
by bamboozled on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @09:25AM
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How do we hold a government accountable in any reasonable time frame, mass scale protests ? Election cycles are too slow now.
Governments are the parties who generally are responsible for fixing structural problems.
The market is composed of companies that operate within boundaries set by the government.
Individuals are more or less forced to live their lives by the market environment where they live.
The solution is in governments and corporations.
The only reason why one would want to fix the problem via individual consumers is in fact if one: a) does not want to fix the problem b) wants to direct blame from the more guilty party (energy companies) to the consumer
OFC this is not that black or white. Currently there are NO OPTIONS to fossil fuels to keep planetary civilization running.