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Re:When your classmates threaten you with felony charges by bawolff on Monday August 28, 2023 @06:27PM (#37301179)
> I get into your home by bypassing (poor) security. I take pictures and make copies of anything inside. Then I publicly announce the breach and demand that you fix your security based on a deadline I made up. Then I say "trust me, bro" when I promise to never reveal the data I stole.

Otoh, it sounds really different if you break into your own home.

I think part of the issue is with everything in the cloud your data is no longer local (like it would have been back in the day), but you (or the custumer public) still has an interest in knowing if the data is secure, an interest that is at odds with the service provider who often has perverse incentives to not care about security.

Re:When your classmates threaten you with felony charges by dahwolf on Monday August 28, 2023 @06:38PM (#37301290)
I agree that there's friction between the greater public good and private interests.

But I don't agree with the reductive take that compromised security means companies don't care or are greedy. Companies that do care and have an army of security staff still fuck up.

The reality check is that security is incredibly complicated, expensive, very easy to do incorrectly.

If anything, us software developers should do some reflection on our software stack. It's honestly quite shit if it requires daily updates and a team of security gurus to not get it wrong.

Re:When your classmates threaten you with felony charges by bawolff on Monday August 28, 2023 @08:13PM (#37301937)
> The reality check is that security is incredibly complicated, expensive, very easy to do incorrectly.

Indeed. Which is what i meant by perverse incentives. You can generally make more money by ignoring security or doing the bare minimum. Doing security right is expensive, and the consequences of doing it wrong are usually not that much at the end of the day (for the company anyways, the users might be screwed). All this adds up to rational actors under investing in security. And honestly it is hard to blame them.