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Re:Study: Carbon offsets aren’t doing their job, overstate i... by jfim on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:28PM (#37286798)
A carbon tax just puts a price on carbon emissions. So if the guy bikes to work and doesn't buy gas, he's not paying taxes on carbon emissions, while the CEO in a private jet pays more. If the carbon tax proceeds are redistributed, the guy in the kitchen comes ahead, actually.
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Re:Study: Carbon offsets aren’t doing their job, overstate i... by transcriptase on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:42PM (#37286895)
Everything in the modern world has the oil/energy needed to create it baked into the price.

Implementing a carbon tax that increases that cost along every step of a supply chain increases the price of everything, not just gasoline.

See: Price of groceries (and all other CPG) in Canada. People will blame the retailers and lazy headlines about record profits, but if you look at their actual margins, the value of CAD, and the fact that the government is increasing the population faster than anything else can catch up… it’s not surprising that they’re posting record numbers. People need to eat. The oligopoly issue definitely plays a part but that’s another can of worms.

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Re:Study: Carbon offsets aren’t doing their job, overstate i... by ClumsyPilot on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:55PM (#37286990)
> Everything in the modern world has the oil/energy needed to create it baked into the price.

Ye, and CEO consumes more of everything, so anyone lower income will receive more from re-distrubtion than they wil pay in tax.

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Re:Study: Carbon offsets aren’t doing their job, overstate i... by twoodfin on Sunday August 27, 2023 @07:01PM (#37287480)
Yes, and thus it’s highly motivating for every link of the supply chain to figure out how to exploit low- or no-carbon energy sources.
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Re:Study: Carbon offsets aren’t doing their job, overstate i... by transcriptase on Sunday August 27, 2023 @08:01PM (#37287948)
Which might work in other countries with a different climate, geography, and population density but until electric tractor trailers or teleportation become a reality it’s just increasing the cost of living for everyone who already can’t afford to “invest in green solutions”.

Unfortunately our current government doesn’t realize that they’re not comparable to California.

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Re:Study: Carbon offsets aren’t doing their job, overstate i... by twoodfin on Sunday August 27, 2023 @08:51PM (#37288349)
Carbon emissions produce externalized costs or they don’t. If they do, it’s the proper role of government to internalize them while ameliorating any inequitable transition costs.

Everything else is green theater.

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Re:Study: Carbon offsets aren’t doing their job, overstate i... by ikekkdcjkfke on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @01:04AM (#37303726)
That's the point, to get the market to react. At first the carbon tax is low, but increases steadily so market will have time to react. Just announcing it will get things going
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Re:Study: Carbon offsets aren’t doing their job, overstate i... by yongjik on Sunday August 27, 2023 @08:59PM (#37288408)
> Implementing a carbon tax that increases that cost along every step of a supply chain increases the price of everything, not just gasoline.

Yes, and that's the fucking point of it. If producing a pound of steak emits 20 kg of CO2, then either whoever's buying the steak is paying for it, or the rest of humanity is paying for it when climate change comes back knocking at the door.

* From quick Google search, a pound of steak might be somewhere between 20-60 kg CO2.

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