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Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by ShadowBanThis01 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @01:17PM (#37284673)
The soldered-in SSD is worse, though. The SSD WILL wear out, so then you get to throw away your Mac?
Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by xp84 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @03:11PM (#37285682)
Just like AirPods and AirPods Pro when their 7 cents worth of batteries die! A perfect system.
Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by layer8 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:46PM (#37286490)
That will have to change in 2027 with he new EU battery regulation.
Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by DaanDL on Monday August 28, 2023 @06:21AM (#37291992)
Do they? I thought it was only iPhones. Either way, Apple will find a way out...
Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by layer8 on Monday August 28, 2023 @11:35AM (#37295768)
No, it’s basically all portable consumer devices with batteries.
Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by semi-extrinsic on Sunday August 27, 2023 @03:27PM (#37285815)
But how quickly though? Do we know the write endurance of the Mac SSDs?

I'm not a Mac fanboy by any means. But SSD write endurance has become ridiculous. Even on a cheap-ish read-intensive server-class 1 TB NVMe SSD (~$300) you get around 1 petabyte total write endurance, meaning you can write essentially the entire contents of the disk every day for 5 years and still be within the warranty. That is orders of magnitude beyond what any consumer is going to subject their disk to.

There is always a possibility that a part of the computer will fail. But if the SSD is less likely to fail than any other random IC on the motherboard, having it soldered on doesn't factor significantly into the failure statistics.

Of course it's super annoying that you can't upgrade the disk size, but that's another point.

Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by tom_ on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:11PM (#37286207)
I've got two Macbook Pros - a 2014 15" (500 GB SSD) and a 2015 13" (1 TB SSD). Both are still going. I can't imagine newer Macs are worse. I'd be more concerned about replacing the battery!
Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by stephen_g on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:56PM (#37286561)
My MacBook Pro (2015, 15 inch) started having some SSD issues earlier this year after a bit more than seven years of heavy use, but it does seem to be partially mechanical because it would mostly happen after it had been in my bag.

Since I bought an M2 Pro to replace it, it hasn’t had the issue I think because I’m just leaving it at home and not flexing or squeezing it much. Perhaps the issue could be fixed permanently and properly with a bit of hot air to re-flow the solder balls.

Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by sp332 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @11:26PM (#37289363)
The newer ones could be worse as they move to smaller process nodes and storing more bits per cell. That said, the controller logic is improving, and larger capacities mean more room for wear leveling, so it shouldn't be too bad.
Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by tadfisher on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:53PM (#37286534)
That's not even that bad if you have a hot air gun and a reball kit. What's worse is the flash chips having some kind of cryptographic identifier that locks them to the machine, so you couldn't replace the flash if you wanted to.
Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by LeoPanthera on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:17PM (#37286725)
> The SSD WILL wear out

This is by no means certain, certainly not enough to SHOUT about.

Modern SSDs have lifetimes that make them impractical to literally wear out, short of some kind of fault.

Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by ShadowBanThis01 on Monday August 28, 2023 @01:54AM (#37290285)
OK BUDDY YOUR WELL-CITED CLAIMS ARE NOTED.
Re:Some of the error messages produced by Apple's MPW C comp... by WicWacWok on Sunday August 27, 2023 @11:34PM (#37289412)
Is it accessible enough it can be soldered-out, or is this one of those effectively-permanent things?