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Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by riedel on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:02AM (#37280456)
We rather have an anti-democratic and populist surge in Germany (the article also confirms that there is no particular shift in opinion to the far right).

The interesting thing is that we will probably get another party on the far left next year (founded by Wagenknecht, a prominent member of the parliament for The Left party. It is probably only delayed to next year due to some party funding rules for new parties in connection with the upcoming election.).

People want more simple solutions and are fed up with complexities (like all over the world). The other parties particularly as part of the governing coalition only offer more confusion and no clear vision where to go with a lot of internal fights.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by mseepgood on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:32AM (#37280633)
While Wagenknecht is a member of a party called "The Left", her political views are identical with far-right views. If she founds a new party, then I wouldn't consider it a party "on the far left".
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by rtz121 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @06:13AM (#37281182)
Wagenknecht is anything but far-right. She has no far-right views, she is just very clever in appealing to the "rightish" anti-mainstream protest voters.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by nvm0n2 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @09:30AM (#37282537)
That's because the term "far right" actually does mean "far left". It's meant to be a synonym for the Nazis who were definitely not a conservative party in any sense of the word.

AfD positions: socialism is bad, smaller state, deregulation, strong law and order, no European unification, introduce Swiss-style referenda.

"Far right" (Nazi) positions: socialism is good (it's even in the name), state is totalitarian, run your own street army to destroy law and order, start a war to unify Europe and immediately abolish all voting.

These are opposing positions yet we are told they are the same. It is a rhetorical trick that renders people confused everywhere it is deployed.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by snehk on Monday August 28, 2023 @02:57AM (#37290725)
"Any view I don't like is far right". Unless it's posted by someone online. Then it's a Russian Bot... or something.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by mnd999 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:24AM (#37280585)
Simple solutions don’t work though. If they did we’d have done them already.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by sofixa on Sunday August 27, 2023 @06:17AM (#37281207)
That's a great lesson learned from strategy games (Democracy, Paradox series, Civilisation, etc.). At the country scale, nothing is simple, and therefore anyone claiming otherwise is either dumb and shouldn't be anywhere near power, or lying and thus shouldn't be anywhere near power.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by peter_retief on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:25AM (#37280589)
How can it be anti-democratic and populist at the same time?
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by teraflop on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:37AM (#37280666)
Easily. For instance, if a movement portrays itself as being supported by the common people and against the elites, then one possible next step is to argue that the mechanisms of democracy have been perverted by those elites, and therefore must be "reformed" or even swept away.

(If you've been paying any attention at all to US politics in the last few years, this should sound pretty familiar.)

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by nvm0n2 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @10:04AM (#37282825)
That doesn't make sense. No populist parties are arguing for the mechanisms of democracy to be "swept away". They usually want them strengthened with better security and less political censorship.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by mseepgood on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:35AM (#37280652)
If 100% of voters in a democracy vote to abolish democracy it's still anti-democratic.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by PicassoCTs on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:28AM (#37280608)
Cause the average voter attacks his system if it does not work for him? The acid eats the stomach? Populists do degrade the host system all the time?

First the system degrades to the point it does not provide to significant part of the population. Then the populists arrive and attack the system. The excuse is usually: It aint no longer democratic anyway, as in a democratic system this whole affair could be altered by flushing the elites out. New faces time, but you still get the old faces.

Which ignores the real iceberg of the problem, situational physics, for which some elites are just a drive-through-workers handing it out. If a society gets energy poor, or for example a whole planet decides to life like usa, there is simply not enough to go around for the now and the longterm.

Can vote all you want against the rain, protest the sky gods, burn your leaky house down in protest, it still will pour on your head. Only thing changing the circumstances is science, by unlocking new pockets of riches.

Comp science is a tremendous waste in that regard. Physics and applied physics is were its at for longterm stabilizing society. Free Energy (gas) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process feed the world, not SV.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by peter_retief on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:31AM (#37280625)
That kind of what democracy is though, isn't it?
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by hnhg on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:27AM (#37280604)
You might want to read up about the Nazi party. That should give you a good enough answer.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by nvm0n2 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @10:05AM (#37282837)
The Nazis were just anti-democratic full stop. They only went the political party route after Hitler ended up in jail for trying to bypass it the first time, they were doing things like beating up their opponents and they abolished it the moment he got into power.
Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by sinuhe69 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:46AM (#37280713)
The world is getting more complex over time but it seems the BILD-population does not change much. Social media conflate theses issues and create new ones but do not help solving them. I believe it’s high time for a number of changes:

- simple voting should be replaced by quadratic voting to take into account a small number of passionate voters

- more direct democracy like direct voting and referendum. And a smaller parliament.

- increase the rights of the states and weaken the federal government to facilitate social experiments and competitive solutions. For example, let Bayern experiment with a no-refugee policy but also let them face the consequences (like paying for other states which are taking in refugees). A decline in democracy could be counteracted by more involvement of citizens in the decision processes and grassroots movements.

- encourage kids to play more games like Democracy 4 :) Debates about politics and role playing of organizations like the UN and EU should be a part of the general education. Because if anything, only the youth could bring hope for the future.

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by dontupvoteme on Sunday August 27, 2023 @09:58AM (#37282778)
It's funny to see it described as "simple" voting. I sometimes lose track of the number of parties here (I guess it's 6 over 5%?) and the interplay of their shifting alliances. It's a far, far, FAR better system than the USA or England. First past the post is cancer.

Not to mention the federalized system works pretty well.

Germany has to be at least in the top 10 for democratic systems in the world

Re:Who is driving Germany's far-right poll surge? by Zpalmtree on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:51AM (#37280745)
populism = i don't like it