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Re:“Autobesity”: More than 150 car models too big for regula... by adfsgioanioni on Saturday August 26, 2023 @12:22PM (#37274196)
Large vehicles make crashes more common and more deadly. This is extraordinarily well-documented. They have poor visibility and so often drive right into pedestrians (especially children). If they hit pedestrians, they are far more likely than a normal car to kill them. They are tall and block other people's line of sight. People in a sensible car hit by a large car are several times more likely to die than if they are hit by a sensible car.

SUVs make collisions more common and more deadly. Anyone who doesn't know these facts is so ignorant about road safety they have no business driving. Anyone who knows these facts and buys a giant "car" anyway is so selfish and reckless they have no business driving.

Re:“Autobesity”: More than 150 car models too big for regula... by borissk on Saturday August 26, 2023 @12:29PM (#37274270)
Unfortunately most people are selfish. Successful communities have put a price on being selfish, but a car gives the driver a certain level of anonymity.

An SUV hitting a pedestrian leads to bigger harm as the impact is higher up on the body. An SUV hitting a car leads to more injuries for the people in the car, as the weight of the SUV easily crushes the car windows and the frame around them.

Re:“Autobesity”: More than 150 car models too big for regula... by bdcravens on Saturday August 26, 2023 @12:32PM (#37274302)
Don't many of the same issues apply to EVs, given the relative heavier weight?
Re:“Autobesity”: More than 150 car models too big for regula... by dghlsakjg on Saturday August 26, 2023 @01:30PM (#37274913)
I would have thought so too, but I just checked and a base Tesla Model 3 weighs just about the same as a base BMW 3-series.

I wonder if the weight is like the rocket fuel problem for larger vehicles. Famously the battery pack for the electric hummer weighs more than an entire Civic.

Re:“Autobesity”: More than 150 car models too big for regula... by bdcravens on Saturday August 26, 2023 @03:48PM (#37276189)
The ID.4 weights more than the slightly larger RAV4; the F-150 Lightning is between 800-2500 lbs heavier than its gas counterpart.
Re:“Autobesity”: More than 150 car models too big for regula... by dghlsakjg on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:17PM (#37279133)
Seems like the rocket fuel rule holds true...
Re:“Autobesity”: More than 150 car models too big for regula... by parineum on Saturday August 26, 2023 @01:34PM (#37274945)
> Anyone who knows these facts and buys a giant "car" anyway is so selfish and reckless they have no business driving.

That really doesn't take into consideration the negative sum nature of car safety that your sibling comment goes into. The issue is that safety requirements for vehicles are largely about occupants. They don't include sightlines, maximum heights, maximum weights, etc. (things that would make other people safer) thus the incentive is to build tanks.

Parents certainly don't need a huge SUV to fit their kids in but, because there are other SUVs on the road, they do want it for safety. Put the right incentives into your safety regulation and cars will shrink.

Re:“Autobesity”: More than 150 car models too big for regula... by rwmj on Saturday August 26, 2023 @02:16PM (#37275393)
A lot of it is lack of choice. My Toyota Yaris now is considerably bigger than my Toyota Yaris from 2005. I would actually like to buy a smaller car.
Re:“Autobesity”: More than 150 car models too big for regula... by m-p-3 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @04:59PM (#37276856)
Personally I hate that if you want a reasonably sized trunk you need to buy an SUV. My early 2000 Hyundai Accent hatchback had a nice trunk compared to what you can get in that category now..