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Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by Hrun0 on Friday August 25, 2023 @01:20PM (#37264423)
> It isn't the AGPL, but I am just sort of stunned at the uproar around this.

Thought the same. I think the uproar is partly manufactured by competitors and freeloaders who are affected by this license change, eg. Spacelift.

Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by saxonww on Friday August 25, 2023 @01:55PM (#37264876)
Also, I haven't read a lot about this, but I would be very surprised if the Spacelifts of the world could not work out a licensing arrangement.

The actual license at https://www.hashicorp.com/bsl says "provided such use does not include offering the Licensed Work to third parties on a hosted or embedded basis which is competitive with HashiCorp's products." To me this sounds like a self-hosted version of something could still work with terraform, and you just have to provide the binary yourself vs. it being pre-packaged. IANAL; it would be pretty shitty if they started going after products that support terraform as a tool that way.

Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by joshpadnick on Friday August 25, 2023 @03:08PM (#37265887)
Gruntwork co-founder/OpenTF core member here. Hashi went out of their way to clarify that you couldn't do this. https://www.hashicorp.com/license-faq#what-does-embedded-mea...
Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by saxonww on Friday August 25, 2023 @05:38PM (#37267342)
Well that does suck. I would also wonder if that's a legal battle they would win.

Either way, good luck.

Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by bornfreddy on Friday August 25, 2023 @04:24PM (#37266587)
It would kind of make sense though? When part of the product you are selling is made and supported by someone else, don't they deserve a part of your income?

I know that FOSS works differently, but that's also the reason why a lot of open source software is of questionable quality. When the development becomes a burden (is not fun anymore) and nobody is compensated, why would someone waste their time on it? Good will only goes that far.

Not suggesting that proprietary software is without faults, but maybe such licenses are a good comprise?

Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by fishnchips on Friday August 25, 2023 @05:32PM (#37267304)
You certainly have to appreciate the irony of Hashi calling others freeloaders, having integrated Open Policy Agent into TFC/TFE and contributing nothing in exchange.
Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by quacker on Friday August 25, 2023 @06:34PM (#37267863)
It's also ironic that most of the companies supporting OpenTF have closed-source products, yet they demand that HashiCorp keep their products open source.
Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by fishnchips on Friday August 25, 2023 @06:41PM (#37267923)
Not really, commercial Hashi products are closed-source, too.
Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by quacker on Friday August 25, 2023 @07:14PM (#37268209)
The core of every HashiCorp product is/was OSS. None of Spacelift is OSS, for example.

I’m not claiming it’s not the same monetization model, but with endless talk from these companies about the commitment to OSS and the virtues of OSS and the benefits HashiCorp has and would continue to receive by keeping their code OSS - it’s just ironic to see most of these companies have no open source code and aren’t actually willing to commit to an OSS model.

Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by stephenr on Saturday August 26, 2023 @12:19AM (#37269912)
I can't say I'm familiar with the other companies/their tools but I assume they're all somewhat nebulous to terraform - did they not try to contribute back to hashicorp terraform?

In the TF scenario specifically it seems like it would have been smarter for hashicorp to open the core oss project to some outside contributors more directly (potentially moving to a different "ownership" on GH).

Maybe they'll relent and throw support behind the new project. Who knows.

Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by ohad1282 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @12:45AM (#37270006)
env0 founder here, and core member in the OpenTF initiative. Thank you for your note. I wanted to mention that indeed env0 enjoyed Terraform being free, but also contributed back to the Terraform ecosystem, with github.com/env0/terratag OSS and TheIaCPodcast.com for education. Also important to mention another and probably a more important key member in the OpenTF initiative - Gruntwork, creators of Terragrunt and Terratest. I believe we all contributed nicely to the community, especially compared to our size / being small compared to Hashi. Just my 2 cents, in order to add a bit more context to "companies supporting OpenTF have closed-source products".
Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by jxjfkff on Friday August 25, 2023 @10:37PM (#37269450)
Competitors and freeloaders, okay. How about all the people that never got paid to help build the ecosystem around TF? Should they be fine with this?
Re:OpenTF Announces Fork of Terraform by Jka9rhnDJos on Saturday August 26, 2023 @03:07AM (#37270490)
That’s a hot take. Considering their repos has thousands more contributors than they have had employees, ever. Giving the middle finger to literally thousands of people who have contributored to the Hashi core projects, not including the tens of thousands that have contributed to the plugin ecosystem. Many doing it on company time. Many more doing it for free in their spare time. Millions of dollars worth of contributions in developer time over the last 7+ years. That Hashicorp didn’t have to pay a penny for.