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Re:Is LK-99 a Superconductor After All? New Research and Upd... by dekhn on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:40AM (#37258146)
I am flagging all the articles saying this because when I read through in detail, it's clear that none of the work reaches the level necessary to regain the attention of the materials science community. People can still read the popular press articles in arstechnica and tomshardware, and even read the original papers, but the consensus right now is somebody is going to have to cough up some signficantly better processes and data collection to make a convincing argument anything truly spectacular is going on with the LK-99 family
Re:Is LK-99 a Superconductor After All? New Research and Upd... by adrian_b on Friday August 25, 2023 @01:57AM (#37258572)
Even if it is not likely that LK-99 is a high-temperature superconductor, flagging articles about it does not have any rational justification.

While none of the attempts to synthesize the material have produced any conclusive evidence of superconductivity, those who claim that the material cannot be a superconductor have also failed to produce any conclusive evidence for this.

The confident tone of the more recent papers which did not measure any superconductivity did not have any solid grounds, because they did not contradict the earlier theoretical papers.

The theoretical papers have concluded that superconductivity, if it exists, would appear only in certain hard to obtain crystal structures, which have not been obtained in the studies that have not found superconductivity, so those results were as expected.

Therefore whether or not some compound based on doped lead phosphate can be a high-temperature superconductor is a still open research problem.

It is not some kind of perpetuum mobile quest that can be automatically flagged as impossible.

One must take also into consideration that the Koreans may have intentionally published a misleading recipe, to prevent replication.

When the first high-temperature semiconductor has been discovered, the team which did it has intentionally misspelled in their published research the element name yttrium as ytterbium, in order to fool everybody who will try to replicate the research, but to still allow themselves to claim that they have priority in publishing, but they have just made a honest spelling mistake in their published paper.

So if the Koreans have been intentionally misleading, they have just followed the example of the USA research in superconductors.

Re:Is LK-99 a Superconductor After All? New Research and Upd... by dekhn on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:05PM (#37263283)
I'm not interested in your conspiracy theories, nor does anybody here think that the burden of proof lies on the people who cannot replicate the results.

My justification for flagging, rational or not, is that I know enough to make reasonable decisions about what articles should not be widely distributed, to prevent the growth of disinformation.

Re:Is LK-99 a Superconductor After All? New Research and Upd... by vinnyvichy on Friday August 25, 2023 @02:12PM (#37265162)
One thing I have noticed in this debacle is that theory- & computationally inclined scientists tend to be more dismissive, and that those who are more engaged in labwork much less so. Unless of course the specific material you work with is copper sulfide. I am amused because a lot of theorists ascribe their attitude to not wanting to have their time wasted .. I guess experimentalists are simply used to long stretches of whatever..
Re:Is LK-99 a Superconductor After All? New Research and Upd... by dotnet00 on Friday August 25, 2023 @07:40PM (#37268411)
How magnanimous of you to do everyone a service by ignoring all reasonable disagreement as conspiracy theories. Clearly we need more of your kind to prevent us mere mortals from talking about something that might be wrong.
Re:Is LK-99 a Superconductor After All? New Research and Upd... by dekhn on Friday August 25, 2023 @07:52PM (#37268496)
As I pointed out, people are free to read these articles on their sites, I'm just trying to limit the damage in a way I can control. I am also not preventing anybody from discussing this- we are discussing it here.

Claiming the Koreans made a fake mistake to throw people off while getting publication priority isn't reasonable disagreement. It's within the realm of possibility they are playing 3D chess but I think the consensus opinion is reasonable: they didn't provide enough info to reproduce what they saw, and what they saw likely isn't room temperature superconduction. Since then we've seen experimental groups "confirming superconductivity" (which they didn't) and theory groups claiming the chemistry is consistent with superconductivity, but theorists will come up with theories for anything, often by just tweaking some variables until they get something that appears plausible.