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Re:America is building chip factories. Now to find the workers by Terr_ on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:52PM (#37257833)
I'd interject here that America has no official national language, and I think it's prudent to keep it that way.

In other words, language requirements are not something we should copy from Canadian immigration policy.

Re:America is building chip factories. Now to find the workers by midoridensha on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:14AM (#37257984)
If you can't communicate effectively in one of your host country's main languages, you're not going to be able to support yourself and survive.
Re:America is building chip factories. Now to find the workers by koshergweilo on Friday August 25, 2023 @01:09AM (#37258301)
That's just not true. Ever been to San Diego? Little Saigon? Chinatown?
Re:America is building chip factories. Now to find the workers by midoridensha on Friday August 25, 2023 @02:19AM (#37258681)
Right, that's called "ghettoization". It's not really a good recipe for a safe, prosperous nation. You really think things will work out great if you bring in millions of people and all they can do is work as exploited workers in restaurants in one little part of a city?

I guess it worked "ok" for America historically because America abused and exploited so many immigrants for so long (go read "The Jungle"), but I don't think that's really something to emulate.

Re:America is building chip factories. Now to find the workers by Terr_ on Friday August 25, 2023 @03:14AM (#37258991)
> Right, [San Diego / Little Saigon / Chinatown is] called "ghettoization".

Just because a geographic concentration originated from forced-segregation policies over a century ago does not automatically mean those bad policies and pejorative status continues today.

> It's not really a good recipe for a safe, prosperous nation. [...] exploited so many immigrants

Hold up, I think the goalposts are moving a bit here: Earlier you said it was about "supporting themselves" economically.

However now it sounds like no amount of economic-self-sufficiency is enough--you're saying those people ought to be blocked/deported unless they can satisfy some ill-defined requirement about where they live and who they socialize with.

> bring in millions of people and all they can do is work as exploited workers in restaurants

I am doubtful that millions of people who *checks comment-thread* have doctorate degrees and PhDs will be arriving to work for the rest of their lives in restaurants.

If they do... well, then they're probably choosing it to escape something crappy enough that we should be letting them in for humanitarian reasons anyway.

Re:America is building chip factories. Now to find the workers by Terr_ on Friday August 25, 2023 @02:19AM (#37258682)
Also:

1. If being unable to support themselves is the concern, why not make that the actual requirement to stay... Versus of an indirect and error-prone language requirement set by what are probably a bunch of old white monolingual men in Washington, DC?

2. Automatic translation tools have advanced by leaps and bounds over the last few decades.

Re:America is building chip factories. Now to find the workers by midoridensha on Friday August 25, 2023 @02:43AM (#37258823)
>If being unable to support themselves is the concern, why not make that the actual requirement to stay...

That's a good idea. That's how it is here in Japan: knowing the language is good, and gets you some points on your visa, but it's not a requirement. If you have a high-paying job offer from a sponsoring company, and a good educational and professional background (or other factors, like if you're in academia), then that's good too. They figure you'll learn the language on your own in that case.

If you have no education and no way to support yourself, and can't communicate with anyone, why would they want you? Unless it's to exploit you. I don't think we should be promoting exploitation.

>Versus of an indirect and error-prone language requirement set by what are probably a bunch of old white monolingual men in Washington, DC?

US doesn't have a language requirement. We're talking about Canada, so you mean a bunch of white bilingual (English/French) people in Ottawa.

Re:America is building chip factories. Now to find the workers by iancmceachern on Friday August 25, 2023 @08:26PM (#37268698)
Have you even traveled?

There are large pockets of all kinds of folks all kinds of places. There is even a city in Mexico with a huge Chinese population.

Americans travel all over expecting to just use English and get by (myself included).

You can absolutely do so, I've known many, Americans in Paris, Chinese in Mexico, French in America, on and on