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Re:Writing and Speaking by ahoyhere on Monday March 19, 2012 @12:39AM (#3722335)
The burden of proof is on you. It's your essay. Furthermore, I didn't state that I disagreed… I merely asked you to explain your reasoning. Argument isn't a case of "I'll show you mine if you show me yours." You either have a case to make, or you don't. You either have a good reason to hold an opinion, or you don't.

And, as jeremymcanally pointed out, you switched from "good ideas being most of writing well" to asking me to show you writing from an author who didn't know what he was talking about.

That is a pretty epic switcheroo.

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Re:Writing and Speaking by pg on Monday March 19, 2012 @12:56AM (#3722388)
On the contrary. I asked you to give me an example of something I wrote that you believe to be false. You gave me that sentence. The burden of proof is on you.

Just so we're clear, do you believe it's false that having good ideas is most of writing well? Or not?

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Re:Writing and Speaking by ahoyhere on Monday March 19, 2012 @01:20AM (#3722466)
Yup, I do, but conditionally. But, like I said, that doesn't matter. What's at issue is not what I believe, but what you fail to demonstrate, argue, or prove.

You asked for statements I believed to be false. I took this to mean statements I didn't believe. Because you didn't argue any of the effectively. I consider them false until well argued -- and the statements I called out hadn't been backed up even in a cursory way.

No amount of arguing with me over what I believe is going to change that fact.

You are very skilled at turning the tables in an argument, bravo. Your essays would be a million times better if you would do it to yourself instead of taking the lazy route.

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Re:Writing and Speaking by pg on Monday March 19, 2012 @01:34AM (#3722518)
You asked for statements I believed to be false. I took this to mean statements I didn't believe. Because you didn't argue any of them effectively. I consider them false until well argued

I find when a thread gets to the point where someone is arguing about the meanings of fundamental words like "false," nothing good is ever going to come of it. So if you don't mind I think I'm done here.

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