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Re:CCC Talk: All cops are broadcasting Obtaining the secret ... by snvzz on Sunday August 20, 2023 @06:00PM (#37203319)
We need open standards for radio protocols, including encryption.

Outside of 802.11, it's a bleak landscape.

Re:CCC Talk: All cops are broadcasting Obtaining the secret ... by womod on Sunday August 20, 2023 @06:57PM (#37203738)
In the two-way radio world, most protocols are open (P25, DMR, LMR, etc.) but almost every digital protocol uses the AMBE[1] voice codec, which is not.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Band_Excitation

Re:CCC Talk: All cops are broadcasting Obtaining the secret ... by flangola7 on Sunday August 20, 2023 @07:48PM (#37204040)
Is it completely closed or only source-available?
Re:CCC Talk: All cops are broadcasting Obtaining the secret ... by wkat4242 on Sunday August 20, 2023 @10:52PM (#37204974)
It's completely closed (not even source available) but there's unlicensed software implementations available from third parties. E.g. libmbe.

AMBE in most equipment was provided in a physical chip for protection however some firmware implementations existed in hardware from big players and they were reverse-engineered.

Most of the Chinese B-brand (AliExpress stuff) radios use this reverse-engineered software implementation. They're not licensed but a Chinese company pretends to license this on behalf of DVSI though it's totally illegal. The A-brands like hytera use the official one of course.

See the popup warning on this page: https://www.dvsinc.com/soft_products/software.shtml

Since the closed nature of this codec goes counter to ham radio principles some open source codecs were also developed. The best example is codec2.

Re:CCC Talk: All cops are broadcasting Obtaining the secret ... by 3abiton on Sunday August 20, 2023 @11:58PM (#37205299)
Security with obscurity mentality is rather still present at large.
Re:CCC Talk: All cops are broadcasting Obtaining the secret ... by Zetobal on Monday August 21, 2023 @03:04AM (#37206275)
We are talking about a standard over 30 years old... change happens. When it was first introduced the standard was fine the problem was never updating it. That said at least the German police uses additional crypto via smartcards.
Re:CCC Talk: All cops are broadcasting Obtaining the secret ... by Avamander on Monday August 21, 2023 @08:53AM (#37208883)
802.11 series standards are far from open though. There are better examples, I'm sure.