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Re:ProtonMail Complied with 5,957 Data Requests in 2022 – St... by parker_mountain on Friday August 18, 2023 @03:13AM (#37172280)
Unfortunately, their model isn't resistant to these requests as it should be.

You either build your model to be resistant to a data request (user controlled keys that never leave the device), or you don't even come to the table.

Re:ProtonMail Complied with 5,957 Data Requests in 2022 – St... by candiodari on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:00AM (#37172589)
This is fundamentally incompatible with software updates. The keys must not just never leave the device, both the key distribution and what the software does with decrypted data must be locked as well. Which means it must be impossible for the software to update, as the government could use force to compel a company to hack it's own users.

This means that the cloud model, where code is downloaded through a web browser, is right out. Regardless of where the keys are.

Re:ProtonMail Complied with 5,957 Data Requests in 2022 – St... by runnerup on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:37AM (#37172834)
> as the government could use force to compel a company to hack it's own users.

Currently, in the USA, the most generally accepted view among legal scholars is that this is not legal for the government to do -- mainly because of a view that it's a particular form of compelled speech / forced labor which is unconstitutional for the government to compel.

It is, however, an avenue that the law enforcement community does occasionally investigate as a possible route to get what they want. There's no clear court ruling as no cases have gone that far.

Re:ProtonMail Complied with 5,957 Data Requests in 2022 – St... by erinnh on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:11AM (#37172659)
Thats currently the case, isnt it?

All the encryption/decryption happens locally (inside your browser/client).

Thats why, if you want to full text search in proton you have to download your complete history into your browser.

Re:ProtonMail Complied with 5,957 Data Requests in 2022 – St... by protonmail on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:48AM (#37172918)
This is already the case with Proton Mail. Your encryption key is stored encrypted so that we have no access to it. It is decrypted when you enter your password, which we have no access to. The article above confirms that, in fact, and all of these cases are proof that our encryption cannot be bypassed by legal means. All the data stored encrypted on our servers (email content, calendars, attachments, etc.) is inaccessible to us: https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption. All we can provide is the unencrypted metadata which we need to have access to in order for the services to work properly.