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Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by Covzire on Thursday August 17, 2023 @10:39AM (#37162386)
Free speech is a fundamental human right.
Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by ryandvm on Thursday August 17, 2023 @10:42AM (#37162432)
Making another company host your speech is not.
Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by Dan_Sylveste on Thursday August 17, 2023 @11:12AM (#37162937)
Making telcos carry your speech is, thanks to common carrier legislation.

I hope we can see the expansion of this legislation soon to cover the modern ways in which people communicate and the modern town square.

Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by w0de0 on Thursday August 17, 2023 @11:30AM (#37163215)
Freedom of association - the right to tell someone to get off your lawn, or your website - is free speech too.
Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by Dan_Sylveste on Thursday August 17, 2023 @12:05PM (#37163828)
Yes, and it's restricted in the case of providers of infrastructure deemed essential to the operation of a civil society. Electricity and landline providers can't decline to serve either the KKK or the Black Panthers.

Twitter, being the de facto modern public square, should soon be covered by this type of legislation.

Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by orwin on Thursday August 17, 2023 @02:38PM (#37166125)
The only left-wing group i followed on twitter was banned so quickly i thought they posted CP or violence. They did not[0].

[0]https://fr.crimethinc.com/2022/11/25/elon-musk-bans-crimethi...

Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by Dan_Sylveste on Thursday August 17, 2023 @08:29PM (#37170127)
Lots of pictures of France burning on their site, intriguing.

I guess when it comes down to it I do believe that the platform should be open to all, but there may well be specific times (such as during active and extensive rioting) that strategic delays and slowdowns may need to be inserted to prevent bad actors from using it as a coordinating tool.

I find this regretful, but necessary.

Condemn me. It is of no importance. History will absolve me.

Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by orwin on Friday August 18, 2023 @05:47AM (#37173355)
So I guess removing legal content you don't agree with is okay. Which, I mean, it is, but I just want people to understand the 'new Twitter' isn't as high on 'free speech' as they sell themselves. They banned an account just because they disagreed on their politics (and the motivation was a deleted tweet from 2013 apparently).

The ban wasn't regretful nor necessary, and why should I condemn anyone? I understand why Elon don't like anti-corporate discourse and why it bans it from his platform. I have trouble understanding that he apparently rescinded a ban of someone who posted CP, but at least he's coherent.

Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by BlueTemplar on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:57PM (#37278754)
> When Musk says he’s building Twitter 2.0, he is referencing the transition from the original iteration of the internet—message boards, indymedia, a more or less open and participatory model—to Web 2.0, in which all interactions are shaped by the algorithms of a few tech overlords. They aim to determine what we are able to imagine as well as what we are able to say and do. What has already happened on Facebook and Instagram and is now occurring on Twitter is the inevitable consequence of increasingly widespread dependence on corporate media platforms.

This has happened to Twitter already in 2013 (the "APIpocalypse", which notably, what started Mastodon), why did they keep using it for 9 years after that ?

Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by krapp on Thursday August 17, 2023 @05:57PM (#37168725)
Twitter is in no way "the de facto modern public square." It isn't infrastructure.
Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by Dan_Sylveste on Thursday August 17, 2023 @08:19PM (#37170061)
Twitter is very much the de facto modern public square. I wouldn't call it 'infrastructure' but it's definitely a utility, which is probably why a person who specialises in utilities bought it.
Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by w0de0 on Saturday August 19, 2023 @12:35AM (#37185543)
Nah. It’s a midsize forum. Reddit is bigger. Mumsnet tier.
Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by Bye_Felicia on Thursday August 17, 2023 @11:15AM (#37162982)
large corporations are not people, and do not have rights, no matter what you or the courts say
Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by dragonwriter on Thursday August 17, 2023 @11:18AM (#37163028)
Large (and small, and in between) corporations are abstractions, through which act actual people, whose rights are not diminished by that fact.
Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by Bye_Felicia on Thursday August 17, 2023 @11:20AM (#37163046)
the only thing I concede is that there is a gray area, the in between, as you put it... but aside from that gray area in between, large corporations do not have rights. the end.

I understand that libertarian logic uses gray areas as a means to an end of furthering their ideology, but that is not an issue for me.

Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by dragonwriter on Thursday August 17, 2023 @12:39PM (#37164378)
I'm not asserting a gray area. People have rights.

Governments, as a condition of granting the privileges asscoiated with the corporate form, could specifically apply limits to its use (and should do so much more than they do, generally), but to the extent they haven't, people who control corporations don’t lose rights merely because they are acting through them.

Corporations don't have rights, because corporations don't actually exist. Corporations are treated as having rights, because they are simply vehicles for actions by natural persons, who have rights.

Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by Bye_Felicia on Thursday August 17, 2023 @07:04PM (#37169431)
ugh.... do I really have to spell it out for you. LARGE corporations should not have the same rights as individuals.
Re:We Don’t Need a New Twitter by Covzire on Thursday August 17, 2023 @10:48AM (#37162540)
I agree. Monopolies muddy the waters though.