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Re:Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes by flangola7 on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @10:47PM (#37156556)
Government policy ideals from a small handful of European men in the 18th century may be noble but I value more the documented modern observable effects of policies than their inspiration and goals.

The 20th century alone is not short on case studies. Again and again the empirical outcome of tolerating bad faith weaponized speech is the sharp reduction in the diversity of ideas and perspectives actually present in speech, by violently silencing or eliminating those who hold other perspectives.

Re:Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes by Dan_Sylveste on Thursday August 17, 2023 @10:33AM (#37162274)
> Again and again the empirical outcome of tolerating bad faith weaponized speech is the sharp reduction in the diversity of ideas and perspectives actually present in speech, by violently silencing or eliminating those who hold other perspectives.

So the problem isn't 'tolerating bad faith weaponized speech' but rather tolerating 'violently silencing or eliminating those who hold other perspectives.'

The second does not follow on from the first.

Also, what is (and who defines) 'weaponized speech'?

Likewise, who defines 'bad faith'?

Re:Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes by mcpackieh on Thursday August 17, 2023 @10:48AM (#37162542)
> Government policy ideals from a small handful of European men in the 18th century may be noble but I value more the documented modern observable effects of policies than their inspiration and goals.

The proof is in the pudding, the American system of political tolerance has an excellent track record and leads to better outcomes in the long run.

Re:Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes by flangola7 on Thursday August 17, 2023 @12:34PM (#37164293)
Given recent events in the US, this is clearly not the reality.
Re:Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes by porkbeer on Friday August 18, 2023 @12:12PM (#37177751)
With all that has gone on, I think it is another example of how it works so well. Strife happens, what is key is dealing with it. And the us seems to be doing fine.