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Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by callalex on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @02:01PM (#37151028)
I don’t think you’ve ever been the level of our-of-shape that many people are. I have experienced the full spectrum from trained-athlete to alcoholic obesity, and there is a level of out-of-shape you can be where going for a half mile walk will be physically painful for more than a day. It really feels miserable. The good news is that it can be overcome.
Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @02:07PM (#37151158)
> I don’t think you’ve ever been the level of our-of-shape that many people are.

No, I haven't. And I fail to see how being out-of-shape is a comfort and not a discomfort.

I do agree that we can't force morbidly obese people onto bikes.

But the narrative amongst healthy people has got to change that their life would be DRAMATICALLY worse if they biked instead of drove a stupid $80k SUV.

Only ~28% of urbanites are obese in the US, btw. Compare that to ~60% in most rural areas and suburbs. In most walkable urban areas - this number is ~20% or less.

It's almost as if the car and the design of our cities makes us fat, and maybe we should change that, instead of saying that the car & roads & parking makes us comfortable.

Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by Paul-Craft on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @06:47PM (#37154901)
What you are apparently failing to understand is that the Netherlands is smaller than the 41st largest of 50 states in the US (West Virginia). The longest distance you can travel by any means whatsoever in West Virginia is about 440km. Oh, and it has mountains, too. The Netherlands is pretty much flat, cyclist-friendly terrain.

Let's also not forget that the US pretty much has no bike infrastructure. You can say "well, that's your fault," but it's not the fault of the SUV drivers; it's the fault of city planners who plan for anticipated demand by cyclists, rather than leading with infrastructure to encourage cycling. This predictably leads to a lack of people wanting to cycle, for fairly rational reasons: roads built for and dominated by cars are not very safe for people riding bikes. So, the demand doesn't materialize because the infrastructure isn't here, which inhibits demand.

Oh, and yeah, the auto manufacturers had a bit to do with it as well. [0]

In any case, your ire is aimed in the wrong direction, and the "fat, out of shape American" stereotype has very little to do with it.

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[0]: https://www.businessinsider.com/cycling-boom-us-streets-infr...

Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @07:49PM (#37155409)
What you're failing to understand is I explicitly said this can work in urban areas.

Netherlands doesn't have a huge biking culture in the middle of nowhere, Netherlands.

Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by Paul-Craft on Saturday August 19, 2023 @04:32AM (#37186753)
Please re-read my entire comment, as it is clear you skipped everything past the first sentence.
Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @02:07PM (#37151161)
I'm in NH and see many commuting to Boston in the morning. They should all take bicycles ~40 miles to work and ~40 miles home? What about winter?
Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by Gwypaas on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @02:12PM (#37151231)
Or simply build adequate infrastructure.

Why Canadians Can't Bike in the Winter (but Finnish people can)

https://youtu.be/Uhx-26GfCBU

Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by lucidguppy on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @02:18PM (#37151333)
Many of them can telecommute. Many companies can set up a smaller satellite campus - even if its a few desks in NH.

Companies need to see where people are commuting from and set up a small office to capture those people.

Who thinks it's a good idea for hundreds of thousands of people to burn fuel to sit in an open office with half the company WFH that particular day?

Commuting culture is insanity.

Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @04:40PM (#37153482)
I think this is the answer- why move bodies at all? We've been told for decades now that Silicon Valley is just filled to the brim with innovators but I'm supposed to believe that they cannot figure out remote work?
Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by kibwen on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @02:18PM (#37151354)
The Netherlands also has a robust rail network, and I know several people who commute from NH to Boston by rail, so that's probably a bad example. :P
Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @04:28PM (#37153314)
Which station do they use? My nearest MBTA station is in Lowell, MA. Why is the highway clogged in the morning with Boston commuters then?
Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by parker_mountain on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @02:29PM (#37151547)
No, they should move closer to work. Commuting 40 miles a day by car is unsustainable for many reasons.
Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @02:17PM (#37151332)
Clearly there are no options beside biking, walking, and driving a car?

It's almost like we should invent a train or a bus or something - working from home, moving closer to work, getting a different job, plus more options than I care to enumerate.

Re:July 2023 was the hottest month on record by xboxnolifes on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @04:48PM (#37153588)
Make America Great Again like the olden days: Trains.