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Re:ISPs complain that listing every fee is too hard, urge FC... by AmericanChopper on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @10:42PM (#37142283)
Well it’s not compulsory to pay your vehicle registration tax either, if you only want to drive your vehicle on private land.
Re:ISPs complain that listing every fee is too hard, urge FC... by lmm on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @11:14PM (#37142477)
I wouldn't consider that a "tax" either if that's all it's for. Do you consider national park entrance passes to be a tax?
Re:ISPs complain that listing every fee is too hard, urge FC... by AmericanChopper on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @11:32PM (#37142566)
Contrived arguments about whether something is a tax or a user fee has been a feature of politically motivated spin since basically forever. I would say any essential service (like access to internet, roads, healthcare, etc…) that requires for money to be paid to the government is taxes. There is no way to get access to the internet without paying these taxes to the government, and your suggestion to implement a private-land-only infrastructure is silly. There is no contiguous area of private land between my house and an ISP POP that doesn’t cross over publicly owned land. That’s almost certainly true for you too, and anybody else who’s reading this.
Re:ISPs complain that listing every fee is too hard, urge FC... by lmm on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @12:50AM (#37142994)
> I would say any essential service (like access to internet, roads, healthcare, etc…) that requires for money to be paid to the government is taxes. There is no way to get access to the internet without paying these taxes to the government, and your suggestion to implement a private-land-only infrastructure is silly. There is no contiguous area of private land between my house and an ISP POP that doesn’t cross over publicly owned land.

If it's both an essential service and effectively impossible to implement without making use of public land (and I don't disagree), then there's no reasonable basis for it to be a private industry operation at all. These ISPs can't have it both ways.

Re:ISPs complain that listing every fee is too hard, urge FC... by chriscappuccio on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @12:22AM (#37142853)
Most taxes and fees from an ISP or telco have absolutely nothing to do with passing over public property. Many telco fees are in portion or in full a profit for the provider!