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Re:Show HN: LLMs can generate valid JSON 100% of the time by selcuka on Monday August 14, 2023 @09:40PM (#37129136)
The premise of function calling is great, but in my experience (at least on GPT-3.5, haven't tried it with GPT-4 yet) it seems to generate wildly different, and less useful results, for the same prompt.
Re:Show HN: LLMs can generate valid JSON 100% of the time by ipaddr on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @01:49AM (#37130658)
You can change the randomness value to 0 and get the same output each time for the same text
Re:Show HN: LLMs can generate valid JSON 100% of the time by selcuka on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @01:56AM (#37130695)
I should probably re-test it, but I think it wasn't the temperature. The results were unusually useless.
Re:Show HN: LLMs can generate valid JSON 100% of the time by tomduncalf on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @10:16AM (#37134301)
In my experience (with GPT-4 at least), a temperature of 0 does not result in deterministic output. It's more consistent but outputs do still vary for the same input. I feel like temperature is a bit more like "how creative should the model be?"
Re:Show HN: LLMs can generate valid JSON 100% of the time by selcuka on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @07:30PM (#37140730)
One theory is it is caused by its Sparse MoE (Mixture of Experts) architecture [1]:

> The GPT-4 API is hosted with a backend that does batched inference. Although some of the randomness may be explained by other factors, the vast majority of non-determinism in the API is explainable by its Sparse MoE architecture failing to enforce per-sequence determinism.

[1] https://152334h.github.io/blog/non-determinism-in-gpt-4/

Re:Show HN: LLMs can generate valid JSON 100% of the time by caesil on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @04:07PM (#37152963)
GPT-3.5 is pretty much useless for reliable NLP work unless you give it a VERY proscribed task.

That's really the major breakthrough of GPT-4, in my mind, and the reason we are absolutely going to see an explosion of AI-boosted productivity over the next few years, even if foundation LLM advancements stopped cold right now. A vast ocean of mundane white collar work is waiting to be automated.