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Re:The Unwelcome Mat - How Not to Attract Tourists by arethuza on Friday March 16, 2012 @07:11AM (#3712785)
Didn't you have to fill in two forms on the flight (a green one and a white one) rather than one now?
Re:The Unwelcome Mat - How Not to Attract Tourists by cstross on Friday March 16, 2012 @08:16AM (#3712956)
The green I-94W (visa waiver) form is what the ESTA has replaced. The ESTA website does its best to re-implement the I-94W in exact detail, right down to the background colour.

For the first couple of years they ran the system in parallel -- ESTA was a legal requirement, but because the systems weren't integrated they kept handing out the old I-94W's. Now they've spliced it all together the paper forms are no longer required.

The white customs declaration is still used, though. And I suspect it'll stick around for a very long time (because the precise details change for any given traveller on any given flight).

Re:The Unwelcome Mat - How Not to Attract Tourists by narcissus on Friday March 16, 2012 @07:30AM (#3712841)
Not that I fly that often, but I don't mind filling out two forms when I'm on a plane. Knowing that I had to do an online application before getting on the plane... that was just a fluke that I found that out!

I just don't like the whole "oh yeah, we have a visa waiver agreement with your country... you don't have to apply for a visa, but you do have to apply and pay to not have to apply for a visa..."

I'm sure it's not like that in reality, but that's what it feels like to me.

Re:The Unwelcome Mat - How Not to Attract Tourists by buro9 on Friday March 16, 2012 @08:45AM (#3713043)
You're lucky that you don't have to apply for a visa.

I do, and it's not fun.

I have an application in the works at the moment, started the process with the US Embassy on 28th October 2011, and here I am 4 months and 17 days later not knowing anything and no idea when I might hear.

Ignoring all other points (2-6 hours in secondary being interrogated at the border), the endless process for getting a Visa is a real pain and a massive deterrent.

It's not like this is my first time, I've visited the US more than 10 times and had visit Visas in the past. Nothing has changed, but each application still takes an indeterminately long time.

I was hoping to go to a conference, but it's too late now, it's passed. Perhaps to also try and make some meetings with some potential business partners.

The reality keeps coming home: Just don't bother. It's far more hassle than it's worth. If you get past the Visa (a gamble in itself), then you still have the border to look forward to.

I cannot recall a single trip in which crossing the border was anything less than hellish.

This, of course, is all anecdotal. But behind anecdotes are people, this is my unfortunate reality.

Re:The Unwelcome Mat - How Not to Attract Tourists by rwmj on Friday March 16, 2012 @07:30AM (#3712843)
At Logan you have to do the forms and ESTA (at least, this was the case last year). It was something to do with the systems not being integrated.
Re:The Unwelcome Mat - How Not to Attract Tourists by gcoleman on Friday March 16, 2012 @09:13AM (#3713118)
Flying into LAX last year I had to do ESTA before I left, fill out 2 forms on the plane, and also give some of the same information to the airline when I checked in in London.

I don't really mind having to fill out some forms to get into a country, it's having to do the same thing 4 times that's annoying.