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Re:Judge denies HP's plea to throw out all-in-one printer lo... by arcticbull on Monday August 14, 2023 @12:40PM (#37123111)
That they haven't gotten to the bottom of the starter cartridge doesn't mean it isn't cheaper to get cartridges than new printers.

If a new printer costs the same as a new cartridge but the cartridge contains twice the toner, then the new printer is twice as expensive. That's true even if they haven't gotten to the bottom of the starter yet. It just means they don't print much.

Re:Judge denies HP's plea to throw out all-in-one printer lo... by jjk166 on Monday August 14, 2023 @04:13PM (#37126211)
No one cares about how much ink they have, they care about being able to print what they need to. If the toner expires before you would use it, then it doesn't matter if you're left with a drop or a gallon.
Re:Judge denies HP's plea to throw out all-in-one printer lo... by arcticbull on Monday August 14, 2023 @06:07PM (#37127396)
Toner cartridges last for years and years - but even still, a new starter cartridge isn't going to have way way less toner, but enough to change the economics. Some brother FAQ pages say like 66%.

Toner is just a container with little balls of plastic.

Ink, sure, but this conversation was about laser.

Re:Judge denies HP's plea to throw out all-in-one printer lo... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @07:49AM (#37132771)
> If a new printer costs the same as a new cartridge but the cartridge contains twice the toner, then the new printer is twice as expensive per page. That's true even if they haven't gotten to the bottom of the starter yet.

Who cares? Your bank account can't see your cost per page. It can only see the money you actually spend. Paying additional money for capacity you will never use doesn't save you any money.

Re:Judge denies HP's plea to throw out all-in-one printer lo... by arcticbull on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @06:05PM (#37139865)
Sure assuming you never get to the bottom of a cartridge, but as I mentioned, the difference is about 500 pages. We're talking about buying a new printer + 1000 pages for the same price as buying just 1500 pages. One yields massive quantities of e-waste. The other should be cheaper. If the OP is already at the point of replacing one of these set-ups, then don't they logically print enough to get to the bottom of either a starter cartridge or a full cartridge?! Sorry I'm having trouble following.