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Re:'I've Got Nothing to Hide' and Other Misunderstandings of... by ekianjo on Monday August 14, 2023 @02:05AM (#37117975)
If its not a police state why do you need widespread videocamera surveillance?

Seems like you have an arbitrary definition of what a police state should be.

If the police just needs to take interest in you to find something to jail you because you are breaking hundreds of laws everyday anyway, this is a police state.

Re:'I've Got Nothing to Hide' and Other Misunderstandings of... by bemusedthrow75 on Monday August 14, 2023 @02:14AM (#37118035)
We don’t really have it in the way people in the US have come to believe. My experience is that US people tend to think that the police can follow you all over the place in real time using cameras. They cannot. They might be able to get the legal right to CCTV footage of all sorts of cameras but they will have to have the paperwork and knock on doors, not unlike the way they could in the USA. This is regulated by law.

Government and the police owns surprisingly little of the cameras in the UK. The vast majority are in private hands, and there is no “network” of them. Basically the US perception of CCTV in the UK is unfounded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite...

> If the police just needs to take interest in you to find something to jail you because you are breaking hundreds of laws everyday anyway, this is a police state

Then the UK is not one, because this is your imagination. It bears no resemblance to the reality of life in the UK. It sounds like a closer fit for the plea bargain culture of the USA. We do not have this culture in the UK; plea bargains are not a general part of our judicial culture.

So if the government wants to use the threat of a dozen minor violations to make you talk, they will have to get the CPS to take them to trial, because as a general rule the system does not allow you to be pressured into pleading guilty. Our system has a much lower conviction rate.

I do not, in fact, have an arbitrary definition of what a police state is. But this is the point. US commentators define “police state” to mean something narrow that does not overlap with the justice and incarceration culture of the USA, which has more police corruption than most of the developed world, and which is more unequally applied than modst.

Re:'I've Got Nothing to Hide' and Other Misunderstandings of... by miracle2k on Monday August 14, 2023 @04:19AM (#37118665)
> If the police just needs to take interest in you to find something to jail you because you are breaking hundreds of laws everyday anyway, this is a police state.

Is it still a police state if you are breaking three laws every day?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/...

Re:'I've Got Nothing to Hide' and Other Misunderstandings of... by ekianjo on Thursday August 17, 2023 @08:21AM (#37160473)
If it is used against you, probably yes