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Re:OpenTerraform – an MPL fork of Terraform after HashiCorp'... by alephnerd on Friday August 11, 2023 @10:59AM (#37089445)
Exactly this.

Open Source software quickly becomes a tragedy of the commons because most organizations are unscrupulous. Look at how AWS destroyed the entire Elastic, MongoDB, PostgreSQL, Kafka, etc ecosystems by abusing overly permissive licenses.

Re:OpenTerraform – an MPL fork of Terraform after HashiCorp'... by koolba on Friday August 11, 2023 @11:06AM (#37089532)
Since when is abiding by the license abuse?

Oh you mean the unwritten, unenforceable, undefined, romanticized spirit of the license?

Re:OpenTerraform – an MPL fork of Terraform after HashiCorp'... by alephnerd on Friday August 11, 2023 @11:14AM (#37089614)
You ain't wrong!

It's a major reason why I'd never release a core revenue generating feature of mine under a permissive Open Source License.

Unsrupulous implies some form of an ethical code, whereby you are judged by intent, not by action - which is an idealized view of the world but an unrealistic one at that.

Re:OpenTerraform – an MPL fork of Terraform after HashiCorp'... by robertlagrant on Friday August 11, 2023 @11:01AM (#37089474)
They're not unscrupulous. They're using the software as it is licenced, which is the software's declaration of how it is allowed to be used.

The problem lies with OSS, not with people using it.

Re:OpenTerraform – an MPL fork of Terraform after HashiCorp'... by yellowapple on Friday August 11, 2023 @03:48PM (#37093132)
The problem lies with people expecting to apply non-FOSS monetization strategies to FOSS.
Re:OpenTerraform – an MPL fork of Terraform after HashiCorp'... by SAI_Peregrinus on Friday August 11, 2023 @07:00PM (#37095097)
Particularly with corporate charity (aka "permissive") licenses. If you want the source to stay open for users further down the chain, use a license that requires that.
Re:OpenTerraform – an MPL fork of Terraform after HashiCorp'... by znpy on Friday August 11, 2023 @11:33AM (#37089856)
One should wonder why companies love "open source" software so much and despise "free software" even more.

On the matter, Grafana has relicensed most of its software to AGPLv3 (eg: https://github.com/grafana/grafana/blob/main/LICENSE)

Re:OpenTerraform – an MPL fork of Terraform after HashiCorp'... by thenaturalist on Friday August 11, 2023 @12:05PM (#37090249)
Strongly disagree with your point as you are comparing SaaS vendors who package these technologies under the hood with no immediate access provided to their customers, just as means to delivering a service with tech providers who were just blatantly packed by AWS and provided as identical technology.

There is a huuuuge difference between OP and your examples.

Re:OpenTerraform – an MPL fork of Terraform after HashiCorp'... by dkuntz2 on Friday August 11, 2023 @12:30PM (#37090581)
the tragedy of the commons is a thoroughly debunked though experiment, and actual studies show that in the real world, just like in this case, the real tragedy of the commons is when one entity (hashicorp) is able to monopolize a common good (open source software with contributions from tons of people outside of hashicorp) in a way everyone who was being a good user of the commons (by contributing back to those projects) is opposed to because it actively destroys something everyone was using collaboratively.
Re:OpenTerraform – an MPL fork of Terraform after HashiCorp'... by zhynn on Friday August 11, 2023 @12:45PM (#37090773)
I have been thinking a lot about the tragedy of the commons (totc) within the context of usufructian socialist services and expanding them beyond their fairly narrow use case currently (public libraries are the biggest example). I was theorycrafting community makerspaces, tool libraries, and public baths, but I was hung up on thinking about totc. Do you have some sources that you would recommend for more detail on refuting or debunking totc? Thanks!
Re:OpenTerraform – an MPL fork of Terraform after HashiCorp'... by nijave on Friday August 11, 2023 @05:33PM (#37094312)
How has Amazon destroyed these ecosystems? As far as I know, all of these products are very much alive and well.
Re:OpenTerraform – an MPL fork of Terraform after HashiCorp'... by mdaniel on Saturday August 12, 2023 @01:10PM (#37102200)
> Look at how AWS destroyed the entire ... PostgreSQL, Kafka, etc ecosystems

Err, I think you need better examples, as the PostgreSQL ecosystem is doing just fine, and RDS doesn't threaten anyone's IPO price. Since Kafka is not only Apache licensed but is an Apache project, I gravely doubt that the Apache Foundation is going to IPO anytime soon either

If you want to pick on two other ecosystem casualties by the Big Bad AWS Gonna Steal Our Shit fearmongering, use Sentry and Sourcegraph as examples of "we want the community until we don't" rug pulls