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Re:How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI fea... by pseudosavant on Monday August 07, 2023 @03:40PM (#37039848)
"...will not use...to train..." (emphasis mine)

They'll do inference all day long, but not train without consent. Only being slightly paranoid here, but they could still analyze all of the audio for nefarious reasons (insider trading, identifying monetizable medical information from doctor's on Zoom, etc). Think of the marketing data they could generate for B2B products because they get to "listen" and "watch" every single meeting at a huge swath of companies. They'll know whether people gripe more about Jira than Asana or Azure Devops, and what they complain about.

Re:How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI fea... by btown on Monday August 07, 2023 @04:41PM (#37040660)
This is really important, and I would further emphasize the word our. Zoom doesn't need permission to train an in-house artificial intelligence model when it can just transmit/sublicense that data to someone else who will train a model, or to an internal team who will use it for "consulting services" in the broadest sense that that team can imagine.

I generally feel like the general slowdown of capital availability in our industry will lead/is leading to companies doing a lot more desperate things with data than they've ever done before. If a management team doesn't think they'll survive a bad couple of quarters (or that they won't hit performance cliffs that let them keep their jobs or bonuses), all of a sudden there's less weight placed on the long-term trust of customers and more on "what can we do that is permissible by our contract language, even if we lose some customers because of it." That's the moment when a slippery ethical slope comes into play for previously trustworthy companies. So any expansion of a TOS in today's age should be evaluated closely.

Re:How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI fea... by bonestamp2 on Monday August 07, 2023 @05:21PM (#37041110)
> If a management team doesn't think they'll survive a bad couple of quarters (or that they won't hit performance cliffs that let them keep their jobs or bonuses)

Agreed, and these kinds of short-term incentives are one of the problems with American companies. On the flip side...

Japanese companies think about products in decades -- the product line has to make money 10 years from now.

Some old European brands think about their brand in centuries -- this product made today has to be made with a process and materials that will make people in 100 years think that we made our products at the highest quality that was available to us at the time.

Re:How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI fea... by callalex on Monday August 07, 2023 @05:54PM (#37041472)
Got any data to back this up or are you just spouting racist tropes?
Re:How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI fea... by hobo_in_library on Monday August 07, 2023 @06:46PM (#37041981)
Making generalized claims about companies is racist now? I must've missed the memo.

I guess it makes sense. Companies are people, after all

Re:How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI fea... by tremon on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @05:29AM (#37046496)
They're not making claims about companies, they're making claims about cultures (American, European, Japanese).
Re:How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI fea... by allarm on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @01:19PM (#37065808)
No.

> American companies.

> Japanese companies

> Some old European brands

Unless the parent comment was edited, of course.

Re:How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI fea... by ukuina on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @12:05AM (#37044402)
This is overly broad generalization that does not hold up to scrutiny.

Konami vs Kojima and any of the DieselGate companies come to mind.

Re:How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI fea... by natch on Monday August 07, 2023 @08:41PM (#37042979)
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