Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accelerating pace

Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday August 06, 2023 @01:36AM (#37019265)

> And trends of losing steam can sometimes get swept under the rug because of "we are number one" sentiment.

Americans definitely don’t care as much about face as the Chinese do, so it really isn’t that big of a deal. China’s economy was eventually going to stem its emigration, and a lot of rich Chinese send their kids to school the states now with the expectation that they will come back, not as a hedge against the Chinese internal problems.

China could do better with immigration. Like, if you think American immigration is bad, China is worse, permanent residency wasn’t even a thing for non-Chinese until a few years ago, and is still quite rare.

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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by tomohelix on Sunday August 06, 2023 @02:32AM (#37019508)

American exceptionalism is a very strong sentiment. It isn't about face. It is about believing one is the best and act with that assumption, e.g. nationalism.

"Face" is a concept about preserving personal honor and appearance regardless of what they actually believe. Slightly different but quite distinct imo.

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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday August 06, 2023 @02:40AM (#37019535)

Nationalism is much heavier in the PRC than in the states, you can see it whenever they put on a military parade that you need a special invite to see in person. It has been intertwined with face in china for around 20 years now, or at least ever since the 2008 Olympics.

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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by makeitdouble on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:27AM (#37019719)

> Nationalism is much heavier in the PRC than in the states

You decide between you two who's the kettle and who's the pot. We'll be minding or own business in the meantime.

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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:43AM (#37021836)

Just try living in China for a few years and tell me that mainland Chinese aren’t more nationalistic than the USA. Wolf warriors aren’t just a movie meme these days, Nationalism is full on promoted and basically required by the state not everyone is just paying it lip service.

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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by makeitdouble on Sunday August 06, 2023 @06:49PM (#37027742)

You're back to arguing whether China or the US should receive the nationalistic medal. The discussion should be on why both are so nationalistic in the first place and how to get out of that.

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