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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by jacquesm on Saturday August 05, 2023 @10:47PM (#37018495)
It could of course also be that the five fold increase is because China itself is becoming more competitive. I'd be a lot more worried if there was a five fold increase of American scientists leaving for China and sending their children there to study. But that does not seem to be happening. American universities are still quite prestigious, also inside China. Depending on the field Chinese universities can be quite prestigious as well, but given the choice of studying in the United States or China many people from other countries would given equal opportunity still choose the United States.

It is true that US immigration is horrible, but that goes for may other countries as well. I don't know what the cause is or whether it is something that you should even want to repair.

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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by tomohelix on Saturday August 05, 2023 @10:55PM (#37018550)
Rome wasn't built in a single day. Trends start way before the final line is crossed. You can address them early or let it be and hope it goes away by itself.

If you waited until the day when Americans have to go to China for an education, then the US is longer in a position to deal with the problem as effectively as when it just started losing foreign-born scientists.

The US was built by immigrants. That is the root of its power, a gathering place for talents all over the world. If you still question whether it is of any concern for immigrants, especially high-skilled ones, to feel unwelcomed here, then I afraid I have no arguments that can sway you.

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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by startupsfail on Saturday August 05, 2023 @11:12PM (#37018648)
It does start to happen in other countries, not so much in Europe, but students are starting to be sent to China to study. And Chinese universities are competing for international students. Language barriers is what really prevents it from happening at scale.
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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by dnissley on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:36AM (#37019012)
From where are students being sent to study in China?
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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by yorwba on Sunday August 06, 2023 @01:27AM (#37019219)
Pakistan and various African countries.
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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday August 06, 2023 @01:40AM (#37019283)
You get a lot of Koreans, Thai, and Africans of all sorts in Chinese universities. Still not very common, but you will run into them at Chinese universities. It always isn’t language related, my wife knew of Korean art students at the Chinese art university she attended in Beijing.
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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by chii on Saturday August 05, 2023 @11:14PM (#37018653)
> It could of course also be that the five fold increase is because China itself is becoming more competitive

it is a competition, so it doesn't matter if it was china getting better, or the US becoming worse. The end result is the same.

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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by bobthepanda on Saturday August 05, 2023 @10:58PM (#37018565)
The US has green card quotas per country of origin. So for particularly high demand countries like India, the waiting list is now 9+ years long.
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Re:Scientists of Chinese descent leaving the US at an accele... by makeitdouble on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:19AM (#37019681)
This discussion is only centered around China, when these scientists are also leaving for other countries (per the article, about half of them don't return to China)

To your point, yes US residents send their kids abroad. From a total of 15k in 2000, up to 34k right before the pandemic.

https://opendoorsdata.org/data/us-study-abroad/all-destinati...

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