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Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by dougmwne on Saturday August 05, 2023 @02:33AM (#37009541)
You sound like someone about to perform a triple bypass with a butter knife.
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by sz3 on Saturday August 05, 2023 @02:49AM (#37009616)
Well, hopefully we have some time to practice first. Because we're the only person in the room and the patient is bleeding out.
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by Roark66 on Saturday August 05, 2023 @03:32AM (#37009843)
So don't do a bloody tripple bypass with a butter knife. Just stop the bleeding. Jeez, this conversation is the best illustration of everything that's wrong with geoengineering ideas.

Indeed we have practiced quite a bit. Read on the catastrophe that was geoengineering attempts resulting in what is now happening with the Sea of Azov.

Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by fredrikholm on Saturday August 05, 2023 @03:55AM (#37009961)
> Just stop the bleeding.

Is that enough? AFAIK all paths forward to avoid the worst outcomes includes becoming net negative ASAP.

That's stopping the addition of 37,000,000,000 tonnes of CO2 anually.

For context, a modern CCS captures some thousands of tonne, which is a comparatively tiny, tiny number.

Unless magic happens in the next decade, it appears that geoengineering is something we can't avoid, sans the suffering and death of billions.

I'd love to be wrong here.

Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by aziaziazi on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:01AM (#37011172)
> geoengineering is something we can't avoid

With all its inherent uncertainties geoengineering has many chances to make living conditions even worse.

It appears that the best think we can do is to stop doing thinks. I concede magic will be needed to make boomers accept that.

Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by concordDance on Saturday August 05, 2023 @04:24AM (#37010103)
> Just stop the bleeding

Convincing every country in the world that they don't need fossil fuels isn't possible.

Blocking some sunlight from reaching the Earth is.

Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by aziaziazi on Saturday August 05, 2023 @04:52AM (#37010230)
Why being an absolutist? We don’t need to convince every country. Just the top ones that drive the most consumption/pollution.
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by fastball on Saturday August 05, 2023 @05:31AM (#37010420)
Because the top ones won't be convinced if you don't convince the others. Tragedy of the commons and all that.
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by aziaziazi on Saturday August 05, 2023 @07:47AM (#37011079)
In that vision we never can’t do anything because leaders needs to be leaded by others.

People do change their habits, donate, volunteer, make concessions and work hard for the good of society in its whole.

Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by jacquesm on Saturday August 05, 2023 @07:57AM (#37011145)
There are a number of problems that all interlock. Democracies with their relatively short election cycles will naturally find it hard to deal with problems that last much longer than those election cycles and that have the bulk of the problems downstream of us. Voters are motivated by their personal issues first, local issues second and global issues dead last. Countries are going to have to collaborate in a very strict manner in order to deal with global issues.

Throw all of those in a blender and it's easy to see why democracy and global problems are not going lead to an actual solution. Individuals are going to make some minor difference but not enough to offset the larger trends as long as it isn't a solid majority doing this.

Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by aziaziazi on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:54AM (#37011552)
I agree we shouldn’t count on our liberal democraties to handle that. Individuals will do the job and the majority is coming, just wait for the boomers to evade in their fantastic plastic graves.
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by realusername on Saturday August 05, 2023 @05:20AM (#37010368)
> So don't do a bloody tripple bypass with a butter knife. Just stop the bleeding.

We're way past that point, the choice is quickly became to try geoengineering or die and I'm not going to take the dying option, no thanks, no matter how immoral you think the other one is.

Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by fastball on Saturday August 05, 2023 @05:38AM (#37010456)
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Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by aziaziazi on Saturday August 05, 2023 @02:57AM (#37009662)
You are the doctor and the patient at the same time. On what body do you want to practice ?
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by BasedAnon on Saturday August 05, 2023 @03:40AM (#37009883)
>You are the doctor and the patient at the same time.

Don't forget that, it's important!

Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by sz3 on Saturday August 05, 2023 @02:59AM (#37009669)
I feel like we're stretching the analogy pretty thin here.
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by BasedAnon on Saturday August 05, 2023 @03:42AM (#37009888)
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by aziaziazi on Saturday August 05, 2023 @04:48AM (#37010218)
We’re actually curating it to get closer to the situation. Or are you seeing humanity as a kind of god that can play with earth without impacting it existence on it ?
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by psychphysic on Saturday August 05, 2023 @03:16AM (#37009765)
Or an emergency trach while us sensible folk watch the patient die and hand wring?
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by raverbashing on Saturday August 05, 2023 @03:34AM (#37009854)
You can watch the patient choke from the obstruction as well, but it won't be pretty neither
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by johnnyworker on Saturday August 05, 2023 @04:20AM (#37010071)
That metaphor implies an understanding and overview that we simply do not have. Think of it as changing bytes in an executable file which will be run in 50 years, based on what "seems reasonable" to you staring at a wall of hex without even a de-compiler existing, much less you being able to use one. The only reason to even dream of it is not having to suffer the consequences, period. And that's not just because you might not be here in 50 years, it's because you're just one person in one very, very narrow walk of life, as opposed to being billions of people.

The carbon emissions of the richest 1% of humanity are more than double than that of the poorest half of humanity. Oil and coal companies profit, while putting out disinformation, as they have been for decades. But why step on the toes of the powerful when you can just use inject sulfur into the atmosphere?

Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by sangnoir on Saturday August 05, 2023 @04:04AM (#37010006)
A modest proposal: load up all the geoengineering-of-bust onto Falcon Heavies and ship them to Mars as a pilot project
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by _factor on Saturday August 05, 2023 @04:11AM (#37010036)
More akin to duck taping the HVAC to avoid an emergency amputation.
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by jb1991 on Saturday August 05, 2023 @04:13AM (#37010043)
As someone who uses a butter knife literally every day, I am offended by this comment.
Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by fasterik on Saturday August 05, 2023 @04:27AM (#37010109)
>You sound like someone about to perform a triple bypass with a butter knife.

This style of comment is lazy and simply trying to shut down conversation without actually making an argument. If you have an objection to the comment you're responding to, then say why you think they're wrong, what your alternative point of view is, and why your point of view is the correct one.

Re:Reduction of Sulfur Emissions from Ships May Be Causing R... by almostnormal on Saturday August 05, 2023 @06:29AM (#37010704)
> You sound like someone about to perform a triple bypass with a butter knife.

If climate change was a disease it wouldn't have an ICD number, no method of diagnostic in standard literature, let alone a treatment approved by the competent authority.

The recommended solutions would be to eat more healthy, more physical activity, and something to treat the symptoms.

There won't be a double-blind study for specific treatments of earth, so any kind of idea is equally valid.