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Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by mensetmanusman on Thursday August 03, 2023 @11:12AM (#36987011)
Our company fired a bunch of talent and I know we are going to struggle to grow now because demand for time is off the charts.

If only all our companies weren’t run by the same monoculture of ivy grads with the same excel sheets taking orders from the moves of the Fed.

Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by kragen on Thursday August 03, 2023 @11:13AM (#36987026)
what do you mean by 'demand for time is off the charts'

is there like a market where i can buy a couple of years, new in box, to add to my life

Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by bmelton on Thursday August 03, 2023 @11:36AM (#36987336)
Assume you have a product (x) that you are considering building. If you can get to market quickly, you can maybe grow revenues or whatever.

X will take 48 person-months to complete

48 person months is 48 months with 1 persons 48 person months is 24 months with 2 persons 48 person months is 12 months with 4 persons etc

When time to market is critical, companies will often choose to "buy time" by paying people to cut the time requirements. The math isn't as linear as I've suggested, but most of the time, for most of the projects, you can increase velocity made good by adding people to a project.

Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by kragen on Thursday August 03, 2023 @12:03PM (#36987706)
this seems like a plausible guess about what mensetmanusman meant but usually people refer to this as 'demand for labor' rather than 'demand for time' so i'm not sure
Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by mensetmanusman on Thursday August 03, 2023 @12:46PM (#36988301)
That’s what I meant. Demand for time is how I experience the labor shortage, so it seemed more suitable :)
Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by kragen on Thursday August 03, 2023 @01:02PM (#36988543)
thanks for explaining!
Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by yellowapple on Thursday August 03, 2023 @12:28PM (#36988053)
> 48 person months is 48 months with 1 persons 48 person months is 24 months with 2 persons 48 person months is 12 months with 4 persons etc

If only it were that simple: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks%27s_law

Basically: between the added communication/management overhead and the training/ramp-up needed, "buying time" this way can end up costing time. If more of these MBAs calling the shots read The Mythical Man-Month we'd have a less schizophrenic economy and maybe even world peace.

Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by kragen on Thursday August 03, 2023 @12:32PM (#36988112)
probably ramping up to two or four people will save you time tho

if they can keep from fighting

Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by ryan_lane on Friday August 04, 2023 @03:11AM (#36996492)
You should really read the book listed. It only saves time when work on a project is parallelizable, and only if the communication needs between folks is low. It's not a matter of folks fighting, it's a matter of the amount of context needed to coordinate work. Often more people on a project results in the project moving slower, not faster.
Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by kragen on Friday August 04, 2023 @08:42AM (#36999173)
don't be an idiot, obviously i've read the book
Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by ryan_lane on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:21PM (#37029270)
Have you? Your comments don't reflect the points the book is making; in fact, they're counter to them.
Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by flygurl on Friday August 04, 2023 @09:38AM (#36999851)
That applies far more to going from 10 to 20 than 1 to 2.
Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by ryan_lane on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:19PM (#37029262)
If the project isn't parallelizable, it doesn't matter if you're adding 1 or 10, it's going to slow things down. Even if the work is parallelizable, if you add 1-3 people after the project is already delayed, it may still slow the project down, especially at first, because each of those people are going to need to be brought up to speed. Depending on the complexity of the task, the experience of the people, their understanding of the project, etc, it can either help or harm the project.

There's a lot of nuance around whether or not adding folks to a project will make it faster or slower, and that's what the book is emphasizing. It's not a hard and fast rule of "don't add people to a project".

The parent's comment didn't have any of that nuance. Just "more people can help spot errors and help with design" and the only issue they mentioned was "if they can avoid fighting". Neither of those things are what the book describes.

Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by icedchai on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:03AM (#37011188)
You know you’re dealing with amateur management when they think doubling people is going to linearly halve the time of a project. This completely ignores the varying skill sets, and difficulty in decomposing some tasks. Onboarding and ramp up is also very time consuming. Productivity of existing team members will drop, temporarily, as they onboard new people. Communications overhead is also very real.
Re:How the Recession Doomers Got the U.S. Economy So Wrong by bmelton on Saturday August 05, 2023 @10:29AM (#37012337)
If that's the point yoi thought I was making, i encourage you to reread my comment and its parent