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Re:Cops still take more stuff from people than burglars do by unshavedyak on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:00PM (#36977351)
The problem with that is as inefficiency grows within the organization that receives the money - so do incentives to capture more. Even if it's coming from an external organization (the police), they can still communicate and find ways to work together through this perverse incentive.

This is more difficult if 100% of it goes out the door. Hypothetically you could still get ecosystem issues, though. Where an org argues for more fines so that their existence is justified and that they don't shrink. etc.

Re:Cops still take more stuff from people than burglars do by mulmen on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:05PM (#36977441)
The allocation of ill gotten gains is irrelevant. This is theft. These are assets that belong to honest citizens. It’s unacceptable that they would lose their honest gains to the whims of a cop.
Re:Cops still take more stuff from people than burglars do by unshavedyak on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:03PM (#36978332)
Yea, don't think anyone (or at least myself and the parent) are arguing anything related to that.

we're discussing the incentives that lead to police becoming thieves. Which is just as important as the police being thieves. Assuming you want to fix the root cause, at least.

Re:Cops still take more stuff from people than burglars do by mulmen on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:41PM (#36978816)
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Re:Cops still take more stuff from people than burglars do by Bakersfield on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:29PM (#36979324)
And we need to instate harsh penalties for the ones who continue to steal.
Re:Cops still take more stuff from people than burglars do by unshavedyak on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @10:30PM (#36980672)
The incentives are what put those systems in place. It's two halves of the same coin. One is cause, the other is effect.

You don't think as long as they have incentive to fine more as it directly influences their budget, that it might affect their actions towards fining and seizing citizens? Are you saying it's unrelated?

edit: To word it differently, do you think solving this one problem will end their association with your money and their budget?