Re:Harvard professor Francesca Gino was accused of faking data
by taeric on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:57PM
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I think that misses just how entrenched doping was. As mind blowing as it is, it is fairly safe to say that everyone that was making the leaderboards was likely cheating.
Re:Harvard professor Francesca Gino was accused of faking data
by peterfirefly on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:49PM
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Probably the entire peloton was -- if so, can it still be considered cheating?
Of course, not everybody used EPO and not everybody who did used as much as Riis, Ullrich, Pantani, Virenque, Armstrong, Zabel, Hamburger... Blood doping existed long before EPO. Amphetamines (and strychnine!) were used long before blood doping. Induráin almost certainly used either EPO or blood doping.
EPO and blood doping can still be used (and are likely still used) but noone can push it to the dangerous extremes of the 90's. That will be caught (because such hematocrit values aren't allowed anymore -- and it's easy to test for).
Re:Harvard professor Francesca Gino was accused of faking data
by s1artibartfast on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:59PM
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You are still trying to fix the past which is impossible and not addressing the possibility of fixing things moving forward.
Re:Harvard professor Francesca Gino was accused of faking data
by taeric on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:11PM
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For a lot of people, they are most interested in the recognition and achievement. You are basically saying "you may be a footnote as someone that should have won, if the others weren't caught cheating years later." Right? I can see how that is less than comforting. (Especially so with no way of knowing who all is actively cheating at the time.)
I can't say it is a bad idea to try, mind you. It could very well work. I just have my doubts.
Re:Harvard professor Francesca Gino was accused of faking data
by naijaboiler on Thursday August 03, 2023 @07:15PM
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They still all are. Just not as brazenly as the past. More nuanced, more systematic, but overall less of it is happening.
The point is to prevent people from doping moving forward because they know they can be caught.
If we had better data on cyclists from when Armstrong was racing, you could absolutely claw back the Awards and give them to the best cyclist that wasn't doping.