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Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by orangepurple on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:16PM (#36973803)
Glyphosate use vs autism prevalence overlay

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Correlation-between-chil...

Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by whatscooking on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:29PM (#36974003)
I hate those graphs. You can manipulate the axes on any graph to make it look like the two variables closely match each other and increase at the same rate
Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by mullingitover on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:23PM (#36973915)
US spending on science, space, and technology vs Suicides by hanging, strangulation and suffocation overlay

https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by kmeisthax on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:37PM (#36977025)
Total revenue generated by arcades vs. computer science doctorates... wait a second I think this one might actually be onto something
Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:26PM (#36973959)
So both have a similar shaped growth curve, but large deviations from that curve on the suggested independent variable are not reflected at all in the suggested dependent variable? Sounds like two unrelated phenomenon with similar long-term shape but no direct link.
Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by svnt on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:04PM (#36974549)
The correlation is perhaps not the smoking gun OP thinks but your analysis seems to be based on the assumption there is no time lag in the population of children 6-21 with autism and glyphosate use on grains.

The most obvious one would be a six year lag. But it might have variance depending on crop cycles and whether glyphosate is handed off through the placenta and/or mother’s milk, and depending on the proposed mechanism of action and weaning age.

Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:13PM (#36974676)
> The correlation is perhaps not the smoking gun OP thinks but your analysis seems to be based on the assumption there is no time lag in the population of children 6-21 with autism and glyphosate use on grains.

No, if there was just a time lag, than the variations would still be reflected, but with a time lag.

Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by svnt on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:17PM (#36974727)
There is variation in the data that could be reflective of that time lag.

If the population had no awareness of the effect and no ability to observe the impact of grain consumption on their children, then maybe it would proceed like some chemical process. But the population can learn and change behavior.

My point is that your dismissal, in the way you framed it, is possibly just as much a random walk as the correlation in the way it is presented. Neither is conclusive.

Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by Ygg2 on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:21PM (#36973889)
Correlation isn't causation (Wet streets cause rain).

Unless you have some kind of mechanism to explain it.

Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by zug_zug on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:41PM (#36974192)
Well glyphosate accumulates on wheat products and ends up in your food (e.g. breakfast cereal) [1]. So it's not impossible glyphosate is affecting us negatively, but there just isn't any real evidence yet.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8622992/

Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by marginalia_nu on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:51PM (#36974351)
Wouldn't we expect to see sharply reduced incidences of ASD in gluten intolerant population if this if grain is the primary vector for this?
Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by svnt on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:07PM (#36974591)
Unless glyphosate is involved with the development and presentation of gluten intolerance as well.
Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by svnt on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:06PM (#36974587)
There is enough evidence that Bayer recently had to set aside $10B to settle current and future lawsuits:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/health/bayer-monsanto-roundup...

Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by orangepurple on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:27PM (#36973978)
More than one-half of human microbiome are intrinsically sensitive to glyphosate

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9145961/

Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by marginalia_nu on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:45PM (#36974254)
Re:Gut–brain axis study shows autism-associated molecular, m... by nemo on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:54PM (#36975329)
Autism prevalence growth may be driven by increased medicalization of society causing more diagnoses and increased medical training to hand out the diagnosis. We have little reliable data on the past with diagnoses only becoming a thing in the 1990s. One should be very careful extrapolating from the existing data since it's not a reading of actual numbers of people affected, but the rates of diagnosis.