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Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by woodruffw on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:56AM (#36970245)
I agree, except for the prison time part: NYC’s prisons are more or less torture sites[1], and we really don’t need to send more people to be tortured.

Driving a car is a privilege that can and should be rescinded, especially in a city where so many alternatives exist.

[1]: https://apnews.com/article/rikers-island-new-york-city-006c6...

Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by i_am_jl on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:26AM (#36970584)

  ...especially in a city where so many alternatives exist.
For what it's worth, this proposal affects the state, not the city. The state with regions where it's not abnormal to get 6+ feet of snow per year.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, just pointing out that it's a bit more complex than telling people to use alternate transportation.

Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by woodruffw on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:37AM (#36970708)
Thanks for pointing that out. That does indeed make it harder to establish a policy of confiscation for repeated offenses.
Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by tokai on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:06AM (#36970356)
Sounds like a good argument for prison reforms, not making dangerous driving a consequence free crime.
Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by woodruffw on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:28AM (#36970622)
I think it’s a good argument for both. We’re not going to imprison people indefinitely for dangerous driving, and prisons are not driving schools.

If they can’t be trusted to drive safely, then they shouldn’t be allowed to drive. We have simpler (cheaper, more humane, etc.) ways to do that than putting them in a cage.

Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by mihaic on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:28AM (#36970611)
Sure, but then why not first make sure that the prison reform happens before sending people to the torture place?
Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by mannykannot on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:02AM (#36970308)
Your modification of tokai's suggestion reverts it to what we have now, and that is not working very well.
Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by woodruffw on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:05AM (#36970349)
Not really. Take away their license, impound their vehicle if they continue to drive it, and then sell it to pay their fines if they fail to do so.
Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by mannykannot on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:14AM (#36970435)
Yes, really, with respect to your original post. You have just added vehicle impounding as an alternative measure to fix it.
Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by woodruffw on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:33AM (#36970672)
This is a weirdly adversarial reading: “rescinded” doesn’t have to stop at their driver’s license.
Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by mannykannot on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:37AM (#36970712)
It is a very straightforward reading... Incidentally, I have responded to the impounding option on an adjacent thread.
Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by sebzim4500 on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:58AM (#36970261)
Then what do you do if they keep driving after you take the licence?
Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by paulgb on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:00AM (#36970298)
Impound their vehicle?
Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by mannykannot on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:23AM (#36970547)
Personally, I think that would be a reasonable response, but there might be problems in practice. The driver may well not be the owner, or will lose their job and that will put their family on welfare... One can reasonably say "you should have thought of that", but in practice, the courts seem reluctant to act in such cases.
Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by jiminymcmoogley on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:04AM (#36970334)
that's a start but you might need to impound their money too if they keep using it to buy replacements
Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by throwaway894345 on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:20AM (#36970509)
Outside of major cities, driving really is a necessity. Revoking someone’s license is effectively revoking their right to work and all that comes with it (shelter, food, healthcare, etc). Of course, that should make people think twice about the crime, and it probably deters a fair few people from reckless driving, but for the remainder it just makes them unproductive citizens with little to lose.

We should probably either consider driving to be a bit more than a revocable privilege or improve alternative transport options (or consider right to food, shelter, and healthcare human rights).

Re:Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders i... by lylejantzi3rd on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:17AM (#36970479)
This is your daily reminder that the proposed law is a New York State law, not just an NYC law. It would apply much wider than just NYC.