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Re:Why We Choose Liars as Leaders by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:11AM (#36969767)
Not voting is also a choice, however it means you leave the results over to a vocal minority; remember that there were only 537 votes difference in Florida between Bush and Gore in 2000; that's a tiny margin, which could easily have gone the other way (and with it pretty much everything that happened after 9/11) if only the people that were like "I'm not voting because the system is broken" had actually gone and voted.

I mean the system IS broken, but choosing not to participate doesn't help. If you do want to protest, vote blank. If you don't vote, you're participating in the idea that democracy doesn't work and should be replaced with a different system.

Democracy isn't perfect, but it's the least worst. The US-flavored democracy is broken but needs the right people to get voted in to change it.

Re:Why We Choose Liars as Leaders by jrs235 on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:21AM (#36969877)
I wish every ballot had for every office or position, the option to choose no confidence in any of the ballot choices. Then we could not only see who got the most votes we could see how many people have no confidence in any of the options or candidates. And hopefully if too large of a portion chose no confidence then we get a redo in a month with different candidates. Or something like that.
Re:Why We Choose Liars as Leaders by joshjje on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:55AM (#36970236)
Add along with that ranked choice voting of some sort. Of course, they'll never allow this as then they couldn't have third party candidates to siphon off votes off of the opposing party's nominee.
Re:Why We Choose Liars as Leaders by landemva on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @10:03AM (#36971054)
You may want to research your State election law for major/minor party. That is how the two party system in USA is perpetuated. Of course the Ds and Rs, and TV, will not tell you about it.
Re:Why We Choose Liars as Leaders by lapcat on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @10:55AM (#36971753)
> I wish every ballot had for every office or position, the option to choose no confidence in any of the ballot choices.

If you factor in eligible non-voters, then "neither Democrat nor Republican" wins almost every election in the US. For example, Biden got 51.3% of the vote with 66.6% turnout, which is only 34% of eligible voters. Now ask yourself how many of those 34% were truly enthusiastic about Biden, and how many were just voting against Trump.

Re:Why We Choose Liars as Leaders by jrs235 on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @12:42PM (#36973318)
What you say is correct. However, how many non-voters don't bother because their voice is lost. If they have the chance to be heard (that they have no confindence in the choices) maybe more will turn out to vote?
Re:Why We Choose Liars as Leaders by lapcat on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:09PM (#36973694)
I was agreeing with you about the no confidence vote. I was just trying to underline the point, that voters have no confidence in the choices.
Re:Why We Choose Liars as Leaders by lapcat on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @10:46AM (#36971646)
> there were only 537 votes difference in Florida between Bush and Gore in 2000

I think you're missing the point, which is that neither candidate was truly representative of the public interest. Just like neither Biden nor Trump is truly representative of the public interest. People hold their nose and vote for the lesser evil, but that's not what people want.

The OP said "it probably averages out that half time you're not getting who you vote for and the the other half of the time you're not getting what you voted for". In other words, even if your candidate wins, you lose.

Re:Why We Choose Liars as Leaders by Guthur on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:08PM (#36979119)
The vocal minority are those that have bought the power.

I choose not to take part.

I'll do what I have to to not get terrorised by these people but otherwise I'm done. My family and I will explore our lives with the rest of humanity but no more am I taking serious the dictates of these power structures.

Amd democracy is not necessarily the best that is, like everything else, nothing more than propaganda.